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View Poll Results: Who has the most of them all?
Vaughan 13 25.00%
Mississauga 5 9.62%
Okotoks 3 5.77%
Milton 2 3.85%
Edmonton 8 15.38%
Calgary 5 9.62%
London 10 19.23%
Oakville 0 0%
Toronto 3 5.77%
Airdrie 2 3.85%
Laval 1 1.92%
Brossard 0 0%
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We deserve to be in this poll.

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This is in a city of 250,000 people, with very little other population to add to the CMA.

oh look, they're building more
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From my experience, Brampton for sheer number, but I voted London due to power centres per capita.
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1. Vaughan
2. Brampton
3. Laval

In that order
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I wouldn’t say malls are dying, just changing. 2 major malls have been built in southern Ontario in the last decade and both are quite successful. They just take the form of outlet malls.

The mid level malls are dying because power centres have replaced them. Mega malls with top level retailers are busier than ever.
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I didn't vote because it's not a fair comparison and not national. You are comparing actual cities with places that are nothing but suburbs. Also there are 2 provinces represented.
Would Surrey be the worst in BC for Big Box? Coquitlam along Highway 1?
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Would Surrey be the worst in BC for Big Box? Coquitlam along Highway 1?
Surrey is definitely up there, but the big box stores are also dissappearing at a rapid rate, particularly in Whalley.
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Poll needs more gta cities.
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Malls are also changing. There are some newer malls but unlike the older ones, many are outlet malls............basically just big box store shopping with a roof. The newest incarnation is in Tsawwassen BC built on First Nations land near the ferry terminal.

Even though we are talking about the death of malls, the death of big box "power centres" could also be upon us in 30 years. These centres are built in the booming suburbs but this was the same as the malls before them. However due to demographic changes those malls surrounded by a growing and young population soon turned into retirement villages with no kids and the same will happen in 30 years in the areas that now surround the power centres.

Added to this is the exponential rise of on-line shopping and there could be real trouble. There is NOTHING in these big box centres that cannot be purchased on line and younger people are increasingly more comfortable with on-line shopping than older ones.
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Surrey is definitely up there, but the big box stores are also dissappearing at a rapid rate, particularly in Whalley.
I know a Rona in Newton closed recently as well. (Was planned for awhile, not related to the pandemic)
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Malls are dying. They aren't being built anymore, but a big one was actually built in Vaughan very recently, Vaughan Mills. Other very large malls and their department stores somehow still survive and have yet to be converted to power centres in Mississauga, Brampton, Laval, Scarborough, North York... I would argue that these places have resisted big box development a lot better than a lot of other places in Canada.
North York has some in the west end, close to Downsview and Yorkdale Mall. Not Willowdale or Don Mills. Walmart doesn’t have much of a presence in North York other than around Downsview; when I used to live near Willowdale I used to go to either Thornhill or Agincourt Mall to shop there, and neither were particularly close.

Toronto’s big box retail is largely in Scarborough. Golden Mile? More like Big Box Hell.
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I voted Okotoks on principle.

St. John's per capita is shit.

Blue line is basically Empire Avenue (our ring road in the 1940s). Everything outside of that, to me, is practically in New Brunswick. I never go there willingly lol

Red circles are the main big box areas.

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That Vaughan example actually has a development application in to turn it into a community of about 10,000 people:



Personally I would say Brampton is king. Easily the most truely suburban area in the GTA from built form.

Vaughan is king of the suburban industrial park though. It’s shocking how much of that type of product exists there and they are still building it in droves around the 427 Extension.
Quite the view for some of those units of the 400 and its off ramp
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Cambridge has some rather nasty ones along Hespeler Road. Waterloo's westside is going crazy for this garbage from the laughably-named The Boardwalk now sprawling towards Wilmot Line. Then there's Kitchener.
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Vaudreuil in off island Montreal has become very big box barfian since I left Montreal.


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When I lived in Montreal, there wasn't much of note in Vaudreuil, aside from the creepy empty drug tower (this place: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4107...i8192?hl=en-US).
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Even though we are talking about the death of malls, the death of big box "power centres" could also be upon us in 30 years. These centres are built in the booming suburbs but this was the same as the malls before them. However due to demographic changes those malls surrounded by a growing and young population soon turned into retirement villages with no kids and the same will happen in 30 years in the areas that now surround the power centres.
I'm curious too - what will the ultimate fate of Power Centres? Given that it seems we've seen 'Peak retail', what happens in the future?

I think staples like Costco will probably be OK - just like grocery stores haven't been hit nearly as hard as department stores. It'll be the weird stuff like Michaels and PetSmart - does one really need ginormous stores for crafts/pet food?
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From an environmental pov, adaptive reuse of the buildings would be ideal: light industrial, creative, tech startups. The parking lots could house millions of people affordably in bungalows, two storey walkups or stacked townhomes.
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Would Surrey be the worst in BC for Big Box? Coquitlam along Highway 1?
I would think Langley.
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The entire Fraser Valley is nothing more than a series of big box stores connected by lousy roads. Outside of White Rock, Cloverdale, and downtown Langley, the entire FV thru to Abbotsford is nothing but a collection of malls, strip plazas and big box power centres. Outside of those small exceptions, it's basically just Scarborough urban blight spread over an areas 5X bigger.
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I think South Edmonton Common is the largest big box outlet "power centre" in Canada. Also, there are seven Costcos in Edmonton and they are building another. Edmonton folk love their costco
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So 8 Costcos in Edmonton? That’s a lot. I noticed they usually don’t go above a ratio of one Costco per 275-300k people. Calgary and Ottawa-Gatineau have 5 each. I imagine the demand in Edmonton is exceptional.
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