Scottsdale & Paradise Valley Development News - Page 46

combusean · #**901** Posted **Jan 14, 2020, 5:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by Obadno

Even more over the top than we expected

What is this? A particle accelerator?

I think it’s some platform akin to the vessel in Manhattan. Earlier renderings had people on the roof.

Mr.RE · #**902** Posted **Jan 14, 2020, 9:06 PM**

Looks like the new apple corporate headquarters in Cupertino lol

Phoenix22 · #**903** Posted **Jan 29, 2020, 7:31 PM**

does anyone know anything new on the Cesar hotel near fashion square?
look like they might not build it at all

azsunsurfer · #**904** Posted **Jan 30, 2020, 2:15 PM**

New Hilton proposal for Cavasson. Nice modern aesthetic and I appreciate its footprint sits along Hayden and the entry way into the development!

https://eservices.scottsdaleaz.gov/p..._5_DR_2020.pdf

mutayo · #**905** Posted **Feb 1, 2020, 1:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by Phoenix22

does anyone know anything new on the Cesar hotel near fashion square?
look like they might not build it at all

Been wondering whats up with that lot myself.

What makes you think they're not going to build it?

ASU Diablo · #**906** Posted **Feb 27, 2020, 11:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Phoenix22

does anyone know anything new on the Cesar hotel near fashion square?
look like they might not build it at all

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Originally Posted by mutayo

Been wondering whats up with that lot myself.

What makes you think they're not going to build it?

Patience my young grasshoppers...

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CrestedSaguaro · #**907** Posted **Feb 27, 2020, 11:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by ASU Diablo

Patience my young grasshoppers...

https://azbigmedia.com/real-estate/c...in-scottsdale/

11 floors. Scottsdale is quietly raising the bar...

xymox · #**908** Posted **Feb 28, 2020, 4:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

11 floors. Scottsdale is quietly raising the bar...

150 FT tall is the new height limit for downtown Scottsdale. Of course, Southbridge aims to take advantage of that (and a few other projects) - and you should have seen all the 'outrage' (by 3 people on Nextdoor) over this. To the point where they got signatures to reverse the approval of Southbridge on the fall ballot. I've not heard if they got enough signatures (they claim they did - but they were being verified last I read). I am too new to Scottsdale to have enough of a sense if its on the ballot if it'd actually pass or not.

The ballot initiative won't halt future projects up to the height limit - the initiative foolishly doesn't address that - just this specific project. Which the builder said he'd lower to 4 stories and 'value engineer' it if the initiative passes. So they'll lose a chunk of old town to some shitty stuff, instead of some really nice stuff as proposed.

Some people have no vision and are stuck in the past. Approximately the 1950s.

CrestedSaguaro · #**909** Posted **Feb 28, 2020, 5:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by xymox

150 FT tall is the new height limit for downtown Scottsdale. Of course, Southbridge aims to take advantage of that (and a few other projects) - and you should have seen all the 'outrage' (by 3 people on Nextdoor) over this. To the point where they got signatures to reverse the approval of Southbridge on the fall ballot. I've not heard if they got enough signatures (they claim they did - but they were being verified last I read). I am too new to Scottsdale to have enough of a sense if its on the ballot if it'd actually pass or not.

The ballot initiative won't halt future projects up to the height limit - the initiative foolishly doesn't address that - just this specific project. Which the builder said he'd lower to 4 stories and 'value engineer' it if the initiative passes. So they'll lose a chunk of old town to some shitty stuff, instead of some really nice stuff as proposed.

Some people have no vision and are stuck in the past. Approximately the 1950s.

I've got to admit, I like all the shops and historical feel of Old Town Scottsdale and the 5th Ave shops area. With that said, I also understand the need to build new and to densify the area to remain competitive for the future. Scottsdale cannot rely on these tourists shops forever and the revenue Scottsdale receives from these shops is greatly less than what developments such as Southbridge could do for Scottsdale. The Phoenix Metro as a whole is becoming less and less of a "Wild West" tourist destination and becoming more of a big city tourist destination. Scottsdale is no exception and needs to adapt if it wants to stay competitive with Phoenix and Tempe.

Hopefully, they will get on the mass transit bandwagon some day.

combusean · #**910** Posted **Feb 28, 2020, 5:47 PM**

150 feet isn't the new height limit by any standard. AmTrust Bank Tower set that standard many years ago and Waterfront renewed it.

Any developer in the know knows not to push it, and it's really allowed in the central core around the mall. Scottsdale has such piss poor, out of date, ad hoc zoning downtown and elsewhere they may as well be in California.

YourBuddy · #**911** Posted **Feb 28, 2020, 9:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

I've got to admit, I like all the shops and historical feel of Old Town Scottsdale and the 5th Ave shops area. With that said, I also understand the need to build new and to densify the area to remain competitive for the future. Scottsdale cannot rely on these tourists shops forever and the revenue Scottsdale receives from these shops is greatly less than what developments such as Southbridge could do for Scottsdale. The Phoenix Metro as a whole is becoming less and less of a "Wild West" tourist destination and becoming more of a big city tourist destination. Scottsdale is no exception and needs to adapt if it wants to stay competitive with Phoenix and Tempe.

Hopefully, they will get on the mass transit bandwagon some day.

I think there are plenty of old historic shops and buildings in the area that you can develop quite a bit of newer and denser construction and have a really good balance.

I wonder how they convinced people in that area to support the free trolley when they are so against paying for mass transit there.

YourBuddy · #**912** Posted **Feb 28, 2020, 9:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by combusean

I think it’s some platform akin to the vessel in Manhattan. Earlier renderings had people on the roof.

It looks similar to the Phoenician but a full circle so I guess it could potentially be a resort.

xymox · #**913** Posted **Mar 3, 2020, 12:28 AM**

There are now 5 'tower' cranes in the NE valley you can spy off the 101. The latest is the tower crane for the expanded campus work at Mayo. Then there's a new 4th crane spied near Kierland where the Optima towers are going up. It could be for a new tower starting (and one looks like it will probably come down in a few weeks). A pleasant surprise to see the new additions today.

Cavasson appears to be setting up foundations for more buildings on site facing the 101.

xymox · #**914** Posted **Mar 3, 2020, 12:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by combusean

150 feet isn't the new height limit by any standard. AmTrust Bank Tower set that standard many years ago and Waterfront renewed it.

Any developer in the know knows not to push it, and it's really allowed in the central core around the mall. Scottsdale has such piss poor, out of date, ad hoc zoning downtown and elsewhere they may as well be in California.

Not quite:

"The council would later approve a new Old Town Scottsdale Character Area Plan in 2018 that created Type 3 zoning areas with heights up to 150 feet in certain areas of downtown Scottsdale, including the Marquee site."

https://www.scottsdale.org/city_news...ccb7454ea.html

This includes the Southbridge site as well as the other towers going up south by the museums (forget the name of the project - it was multiple towers @150ft) which breaks ground this summer.

It used to be the case as you suggested - recently this changed. And that's part of what triggered people to get something on the ballot against Southbridge. But if they manage to cap off Southbridge it won't stop the other projects - so I fail to see the whole point of it (other than old people being pissed off its not the 1950s anymore).

IndyAZ · #**915** Posted **Mar 3, 2020, 1:44 AM**

A second Mayo tower crane should be erected this weekend for the East Expansion, with two more tower cranes following later this year for the West Expansion. Mayo will have 4 tower cranes in total by the end of this year.

CrestedSaguaro · #**916** Posted **Mar 3, 2020, 3:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by xymox

other than old people being pissed off its not the 1950s anymore.

That's exactly it. Boomers not letting the past go. It's inevitable and a losing battle as Phoenix, Tempe and Scottsdale (and the rest of the metro) densify.

xymox · #**917** Posted **Mar 3, 2020, 4:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by IndyAZ

A second Mayo tower crane should be erected this weekend for the East Expansion, with two more tower cranes following later this year for the West Expansion. Mayo will have 4 tower cranes in total by the end of this year.

Any more details on the project? I heard it was coming a couple years back - but not seen any recent renderings.

btw - looked like a mobile crane was onsite today - prepping for the 2nd tower crane?

I suppose there could be a nice 'tower canyon' along the L101 if that ever developed vertically - from Hayden to Tatum. I doubt we'd see seriously tall buildings there - but a bunch of 10-15 story buildings would make things interesting. As it stands all the 6 story apartment buildings up there are having somewhat of an impact. (Can't imagine taking a unit overlooking the 101 though)

IndyAZ · #**918** Posted **Mar 3, 2020, 8:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by xymox

Any more details on the project? I heard it was coming a couple years back - but not seen any recent renderings.

The East Clinic building is being expanded vertically from 3 to 7 stories with opportunity to expand higher in the future, and the West is a new 6 story patient tower directly adjacent to the existing tower. They are also building a couple other smaller buildings, some parking garages and numerous site improvements.

The other crane is just for numerous other activities, the other East tower crane should go in this weekend.

combusean · #**919** Posted **Mar 3, 2020, 10:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by xymox

Not quite:

"The council would later approve a new Old Town Scottsdale Character Area Plan in 2018 that created Type 3 zoning areas with heights up to 150 feet in certain areas of downtown Scottsdale, including the Marquee site."

https://www.scottsdale.org/city_news...ccb7454ea.html

This includes the Southbridge site as well as the other towers going up south by the museums (forget the name of the project - it was multiple towers @150ft) which breaks ground this summer.

It used to be the case as you suggested - recently this changed. And that's part of what triggered people to get something on the ballot against Southbridge. But if they manage to cap off Southbridge it won't stop the other projects - so I fail to see the whole point of it (other than old people being pissed off its not the 1950s anymore).

I appreciate the corrections, it seems the article I read about a recent battle was incorrect on that issue and I had seen fights about it. I don't really follow Scottsdale goings on.

combusean · #**920** Posted **Mar 3, 2020, 10:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by xymox

Any more details on the project? I heard it was coming a couple years back - but not seen any recent renderings.

btw - looked like a mobile crane was onsite today - prepping for the 2nd tower crane?

I suppose there could be a nice 'tower canyon' along the L101 if that ever developed vertically - from Hayden to Tatum. I doubt we'd see seriously tall buildings there - but a bunch of 10-15 story buildings would make things interesting. As it stands all the 6 story apartment buildings up there are having somewhat of an impact. (Can't imagine taking a unit overlooking the 101 though)

https://cdn.prod-carehubs.net/n1/802...-expansion.jpg