270 Lamarche Ave | up to 25m | 6\7\7f | Proposed

[waterloowarrior]

https://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans...appId=__BHF5A6


Lépine is proposing to construct eight (8) residential rental buildings, with heights ranging from nine (9) to sixteen(16) storeys, connected by a shared parking garage covered with communal landscape area.

The proposed development will contain 1,320 apartment units, a fitness facility, two (2) communal courtyard greenspaces and a Town Centre Plaza with active retail frontages, as shown in Figure 6. The development has been designed to
meet the needs of active seniors, downsizers and empty-nesters, in addition to mid-market renters.

[Tesladom]

Good step for Orleans, this is at the entrance to new Caivan Orleans Village development (old Golfland), Gib Patterson's land.
I just wonder how much demand there is for so many buildings and units...

[rocketphish]

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[CityTech]

I'm all for density but this is the wrong spot. There's no rapid transit at all and very few amenities within walking distance. Even the future south Orleans rapid transit corridor isn't by this property.

If this was by the 174, full speed ahead. But not here.

[J.OT13]

The Cumberland Transitway will run across the pond from the back end of what is indicated as "future development", but that's still 1.3 km from the Innes frontage, which isn't stellar. Then we have to ask if a station will actually be built behind there. The new Chapel Hill station and P&R is 700 meters to the west.

In general, the built form adjacent to the Cumberland Transitway corridor is quite disappointing. Density varies from single family homes to stacked townhomes and a few Plateau style condos. They should have zoned that area not to allow any single family homes and push for back-to-back townhomes up to mid-rises within 500 meters of the corridor.

[waterloowarrior]

Recommended for refusal
http://app05.ottawa.ca/sirepub/agdoc...&itemid=399303

[Proof Sheet]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

Recommended for refusal
http://app05.ottawa.ca/sirepub/agdoc...&itemid=399303

Unusual..Most of the time the Planning Department hold back on an application until the two sides can come to a compromise to go forward on. I'm sure an appeal is being prepared by more than one side.

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by Proof Sheet

Unusual..Most of the time the Planning Department hold back on an application until the two sides can come to a compromise to go forward on. I'm sure an appeal is being prepared by more than one side.

O ya - Lepine is definitely preparing to fight this:

[TransitZilla]

Couldn't Lepine just remove buildings A, D and E (or reduce them to 9 stories) and proceed?

The staff reports indicates that 9 storey buildings are permitted "as of right" along arterial mainstreets. The other 5 buildings are already 9 stories.

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

Couldn't Lepine just remove buildings A, D and E (or reduce them to 9 stories) and proceed?

The staff reports indicates that 9 storey buildings are permitted "as of right" along arterial mainstreets. The other 5 buildings are already 9 stories.

Staff also do not think the AM designation should extend further than 200m into their site, so the southern half of their site should be designated as general urban and limited to 4-stories.

[waterloowarrior]

Deferred to June - received over 300 submissions in the days before the meeting. Many stated they wanted to make an oral submission, but may not have registered etc. Need more time to sort out.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

Staff also do not think the AM designation should extend further than 200m into their site, so the southern half of their site should be designated as general urban and limited to 4-stories.

So the southern part of the site, closer to the future Transitway, will have be zoned for shorter buildings?

[DEWLine]

Not quite sure what to make of this yet.

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

So the southern part of the site, closer to the future Transitway, will have be zoned for shorter buildings?

To be fair, even the southern end of the site would be somewhere close to 1.5km walking distance from a station on the future Cumberland Transitway. People in this development would either catch a local bus that circulates in the community via Lamarche Avenue, or (more likely) they would catch the frequent Route 94.

But - the staff's planning rationale for not including the southern half within the AM zone had nothing to do with transportation. It was something along the lines of...

1. them's the rules, and
2. there should be a transition from taller buildings closer to Innes Road to shorter apartment buildings closer to the approved low-mid density to the south.

I do completely agree that its ridiculous the City didn't ensure developments closer to the future Cumberland Transitway stations were reserved for mid-high density.

[CityTech]

The Cumberland Transitway is probably dead. The city filled all the areas around with it low density sprawl. And the one area around that corridor where there actually is decent medium density housing--the central core of Blackburn Hamlet--is completely bypassed by it.

[J.OT13]

Rejected by planning committee.

https://twitter.com/KatePorterCBC/st...16134767562755

[OTownandDown]

1. Who gives them the right to take away my driving range?
2. Density = great. Location = not great. It's the middle of nowhere. Is that a shopping centre or something in that completely enclosed, protected green space? Looks like it will become a crazy dystopian place in 30 years.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

1. Who gives them the right to take away my driving range?
2. Density = great. Location = not great. It's the middle of nowhere. Is that a shopping centre or something in that completely enclosed, protected green space? Looks like it will become a crazy dystopian place in 30 years.

Sorry, I don't get this "middle of nowhere" argument at all.

It's on Innes Rd. Almost all the retail in Orleans (with the exception of Place d'Orleans) is located on Innes Rd. This site is a <10 minute walk from a grocery store.

Innes Rd has a frequent transit route with service 15 minutes or better all day. Innes Rd should be intensified and it is inevitable that it will be. Not all density needs to be on the LRT.

For all those complaining about traffic, where were those complaints when subdivision after subdivision was approved over the last number of years?

Could the design be tweaked? Maybe. But it seems like most of the visceral reaction to this stems from the fact that this is a development > 3 storeys tall.

[Tesladom]

Personally I wouldn't see the demand for so many units in this location for the foreseeable future... that's my opinion

[OTownandDown]

You're right, this stretch of Innes is destined to be Merivale part deux.

However, the only multi-unit building in the area is the retirement residence next door, and now you want to build a Campeau/William's Court-style multi-building Kanata complex..in Orleans?

Woah woah woah, lets pump the brakes here. We didn't build these curly cue-suburban traffic jams for large buildings! Who will make all the easy money building suburban-sprawl dwellings if Lepine sucks all the air out of the room building these towers?

Originally Posted by bradnixon

Sorry, I don't get this "middle of nowhere" argument at all.

It's on Innes Rd. Almost all the retail in Orleans (with the exception of Place d'Orleans) is located on Innes Rd. This site is a <10 minute walk from a grocery store.

Innes Rd has a frequent transit route with service 15 minutes or better all day. Innes Rd should be intensified and it is inevitable that it will be. Not all density needs to be on the LRT.

For all those complaining about traffic, where were those complaints when subdivision after subdivision was approved over the last number of years?

Could the design be tweaked? Maybe. But it seems like most of the visceral reaction to this stems from the fact that this is a development > 3 storeys tall.