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NYguy · #**221** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 2:49 PM**

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Their version of the JDS proposal...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBJgU1kiK0M/

Crawford · #**222** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 3:16 PM**

Those blocks south of Moynhian will be part of the eminent domain for an expanded Penn.

Hopefully we get a bunch of prominent towers on those cleared blocks, alongside a grand south entrance/concourse for Penn.

NYguy · #**223** Posted **Jun 9, 2020, 4:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

Those blocks south of Moynhian will be part of the eminent domain for an expanded Penn.

Hopefully we get a bunch of prominent towers on those cleared blocks, alongside a grand south entrance/concourse for Penn.

The block below Penn/MSG ( 7th to 8th ) will be the site of the expanded Penn Station to the south, with large towers above it.

The block below Moynihan would likely see development on the northern side (31st Street). Those are commercial buildings (bank, dmv, a business school). I can see that being redeveloped with more hotel/residential space. The corner of the block, which is currently a bus lot/station and a few stores on 8th Avenue could support an office tower.

The southside however, (30th St) is a nice, residential NYC block, the kind you can't build in Hudson Yards. It wouldn't be necessary to demolish it, and I would support any NIMBYism in opposition to it.

NYer34 · #**224** Posted **Jun 18, 2020, 9:56 AM**

They also need to preserve St. John the Baptist - a nearly 200-year-old church designed by Napoleon LeBrun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Jo...rch_(Manhattan)

This is architecture about 10,000x better than anything that will come out of a 21st-century Penn Station.

JMKeynes · #**225** Posted **Jun 18, 2020, 11:48 AM**

I'd absolutely love to see the old Penn design built on this block. I know that it won't happen, but it would be amazing.

Sky88 · #**226** Posted **Jun 19, 2020, 9:58 PM**

So in theory we could have this in the future ...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBJgU1kiK0M/

http://jdsdevelopment.com/empire-station-proposal/

And this... 2 PENN PLAZA

http://www.instagram.com/p/CApzGOkpAmg/

Zerton · #**227** Posted **Jun 20, 2020, 1:33 AM**

Empire Station is a glorious name. Is that just a placeholder or is it really going to be called that?

NYguy · #**228** Posted **Jun 20, 2020, 1:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by Zerton

Empire Station is a glorious name. Is that just a placeholder or is it really going to be called that?

That's what it evolved to. Moynihan is still part of that.

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RobEss · #**229** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 3:17 AM**

Why can't any of these architects and developers imagine a future without the hideous Madison Square Garden still in it?

NYguy · #**230** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 1:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by RobEss

Why can't any of these architects and developers imagine a future without the hideous Madison Square Garden still in it?

They could but the city would need to get rid of MSG first. We were close once, but just close.

Prezrezc · #**231** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 3:26 PM**

What if the State offered that buffoon Dolan a whole you-know-whatload of $$$ to relinquish ownership of his franchises?
Or have they already?

Busy Bee · #**232** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 3:54 PM**

Maybe they should have made MSG the emergency covid hospital. Maybe nobody would have wanted anything to do with it after that.

Sky88 · #**233** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 8:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Prezrezc

What if the State offered that buffoon Dolan a whole you-know-whatload of $$$ to relinquish ownership of his franchises?
Or have they already?

I think the real problem is where to move the MSG to.

Now I want to understand when the project for those skyscrapers starts.

DCReid · #**234** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 10:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Sky88

I think the real problem is where to move the MSG to.

Now I want to understand when the project for those skyscrapers starts.

Does NYC really need MSG any more? If the Staples Center in LA could host two basketball teams, the Barkeley Center could, and a renovated Nassau Coliseum or Meadowlands arena host two hockey teams.

NYguy · #**235** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 11:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by DCReid

Does NYC really need MSG any more? If the Staples Center in LA could host two basketball teams, the Barkeley Center could, and a renovated Nassau Coliseum or Meadowlands arena host two hockey teams.

In short yes. But you have to understand the eccentricities of New York to understand why that would be a non-starter, not to mention all of the other numerous events that the arenas host.

Zapatan · #**236** Posted **Jun 22, 2020, 12:48 AM**

Are those massive towers for real or just placeholders? I like the designs a lot.

Crawford · #**237** Posted **Jun 22, 2020, 1:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by DCReid

Does NYC really need MSG any more? If the Staples Center in LA could host two basketball teams, the Barkeley Center could, and a renovated Nassau Coliseum or Meadowlands arena host two hockey teams.

The Garden will almost certainly eventually be relocated, but there's no way in hell it would just be demolished, not replaced, and every existing MSG event stuffed into Barclays Center. For one, the owners of the respective arenas are rivals. For another, Barclays Center was built as a basketball arena, not a multiuse arena.

LA has multiple arenas too. Not everything is in Staples Center. And the NY region is larger with more teams and more events.

The existing arena is actually the 4th version of MSG. One day there will be new version, somewhere else.

Busy Bee · #**238** Posted **Jun 22, 2020, 4:37 AM**

New PABT. New MSG.

NYguy · #**239** Posted **Jun 22, 2020, 5:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zapatan

Are those massive towers for real or just placeholders? I like the designs a lot.

NO. There has been no design for any towers yet. That was an old JDS proposal, as we have discussed many times.

NYguy · #**240** Posted **Jun 22, 2020, 10:49 PM**

The 34th Street portion of the redevelopment site...

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/n...?adppopup=true