Diversity of the foreign-born population

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Docere

I'm guessing the European-born population in California leans "cosmopolitan elite" while in Chicago, say, it's legacy working class ethnic. There are after all not really any European ethnic enclaves in California AFAIK.

additionally, most europeans these days, and the OVERWHELMING majority of the "cosmopolitan elite" europeans who might trot the globe working in tech or finance or some other such industry that might land them in the bay area, already know english when they step off off the plane, thus negating one of the biggest reasons why immigrant ethnic enclaves even form in the first place.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Docere

I'm guessing the European-born population in California leans "cosmopolitan elite" while in Chicago, say, it's legacy working class ethnic. There are after all not really any European ethnic enclaves in California AFAIK.

I think, in both places, it mostly means former Soviet Union or other Eastern bloc country.

[Docere]

True, huge concentration of former Soviets in NYC but there's decent numbers in many other cities as well.

Chicago and especially NYC still decent numbers of foreign born Europeans in "white ethnic" enclaves, though most arrived decades ago and they're obviously aging.

Should have said "elite" immigrants make up larger share of Europeans in California, not that they dominate the European-born population.

[Docere]

Born in Eastern Europe

New York 423,678
Chicago 254,988
Los Angeles 94,739
San Francisco/San Jose 76,108
Seattle 57,487
Boston 55,988
Philadelphia 55,696
Detroit 54,634
Miami 50,814

Born in FSU (European part)

New York 199,134
Chicago 61,998
Los Angeles 49,512
San Francisco/San Jose 45,767
Seattle 35,380
Boston 26,717
Philadelphia 24,937
Miami 21,452
Washington 20,045

[bilbao58]

Originally Posted by Docere

Dallas

Foreign-born 1,454,626

Latin American 808,013
East Asian 197,626
South Asian 194,907
African 115,010
European 55,269
Middle Eastern 45,827
Caribbean 11,120

It would be so nice if people on this forum would remember the "-Fort Worth" part and stop suggesting that Dallas alone is on the same level as Houston.

Signed - Whiny Houstonian.

[JManc]

Originally Posted by bilbao58

It would be so nice if people on this forum would remember the "-Fort Worth" part and stop suggesting that Dallas alone is on the same level as Houston.

Signed - Whiny Houstonian.

It largely is. Even if you lopped off Fort Worth and it's suburbs, Dallas would probably be the size of Atlanta or Miami which are on same level as Houston.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by JManc

It largely is. Even if you lopped off Fort Worth and it's suburbs, Dallas would probably be the size of Atlanta or Miami which are on same level as Houston.

Not to go too far off on a tangent, but Dallas and Fort Worth are each divided into separate Metro Divisions so they each have their own "sphere" of sorts.

Houston Metro Area.............7,066,000 Population
Dallas Metro Division............5,081,000 Population
Fort Worth Metro Division......2,491,000 Population

[wwmiv]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

Not to go too far off on a tangent, but Dallas and Fort Worth are each divided into separate Metro Divisions so they each have their own "sphere" of sorts.

Houston Metro Area.............7,066,000 Population
Dallas Metro Division............5,081,000 Population
Fort Worth Metro Division......2,491,000 Population

2020 estimates:
7,155,478 - Houston
5,171,934 - Dallas
2,522,204 - Fort Worth

[bilbao58]

Originally Posted by JManc

It largely is.

GASP!!! If Marvin Zindler were alive he would slap your face!

[Docere]

Apologies to St. Paul in advance.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by wwmiv

2020 estimates:
7,155,478 - Houston
5,171,934 - Dallas
2,522,204 - Fort Worth

Well, the census bureau's official numbers arent out yet, but we know that Texas' estimate was overcounted by 200,000+ so your figures are likely going to shrink a little.

[Ant131531]

Originally Posted by wwmiv

2020 estimates:
7,155,478 - Houston
5,171,934 - Dallas
2,522,204 - Fort Worth

Wow so according to this, Forth Worth alone is bigger than Austin and San Antonio and almost as big as a metro like Charlotte. Impressive.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by Ant131531

Wow so according to this, Forth Worth alone is bigger than Austin and San Antonio and almost as big as a metro like Charlotte. Impressive.

Austin and Charlotte still have much larger economies tho.

2019 GDP
Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land Metro Area....$512.2 Billion
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Alpharetta Metro Area........$422.1 Billion
Dallas-Plano-Irving Metro Division........................$390.6 Billion
Charlotte-Concord-Gastonia Metro Area.................$178.4 Billion
Austin-Round Rock-Georgetown Metro Area...........$159.3 Billion
Fort Worth-Arlington-Grapevine Metro Division.......$133.1 Billion
San Antonio-New Braunfels Metro Area..................$129.3 Billion

[dimondpark]

anyway, back to the topic...

2019 Combined Statistical Areas and Uncombined Metro Areas, 200,000+ Foreign Born
6,230,338 New York-Newark
5,529,651 Los Angeles-Long Beach
2,860,863 San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland
2,673,091 Miami-Port St Lucie-Fort Lauderdale
1,770,979 Washington-Baltimore-Arlington
1,674,827 Chicago-Naperville
1,670,425 Houston-The Woodlands
1,482,840 Dallas-Fort Worth
1,346,553 Boston-Worcester-Providence
923,059 Atlanta-Athens-Clark County-Sandy Springs
852,776 Seattle-Tacoma
776,316 Philadelphia-Reading-Camden
761,933 San Diego-Chula Vista-Carlsbad
709,716 Phoenix-Mesa
640,792 Orlando-Lakeland-Deltona
516,123 Las Vegas-Henderson
509,017 Detroit-Warren-Ann Arbor
481,850 Sacramento-Roseville
461,365 Tampa-St Petersburg-Clearwater
416,134 Denver-Aurora
404,370 Minneapolis-St Paul
386,259 Portland-Vancouver-Salem
350,067 Austin-Round Rock-Georgetown
297,573 San Antonio-New Braunfels-Pearland
288,358 Charlotte-Concord
268,536 Fresno-Madera-Hanford
262,951 Raleigh-Durham-Cary
246,828 Salt Lake City-Provo-Orem
246,339 McAllen-Edinburg
241,604 Cape Coral-Fort Myers-Naples
222,849 El Paso-Las Cruces

[bilbao58]

Then there are the "unauthorized immigrant" populations which certainly add to the mix. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ed-immigrants/

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by bilbao58

Then there are the "unauthorized immigrant" populations which certainly add to the mix. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ed-immigrants/

The Census Bureau counts them too tho. I'm sure some go uncounted but I dont think they miss that many tbh.

[bilbao58]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

The Census Bureau counts them too tho. I'm sure some go uncounted but I dont think they miss that many tbh.

Never mind!

Actually, considering how bizarre 2020 was, I'm not sure I trust the 2020 Census results.

[Crawford]

Wow, Orlando has a shit-ton of immigrants. I know Orlando is diverse, but I wouldn't have guessed that many immigrants.

Also, this probably underplays the immigrant feel, since Orlando has a gigantic Puerto Rican population, probably second largest in the U.S. after NYC now, and PRs obviously don't get counted as immigrants, even if they're culturally basically immigrants.

Also, a lot of Latin Americans, especially Brazilians, keep vacation homes in Orlando area, given the insane Disney obsession among middle/upper classes in Brazil.

[Docere]

Originally Posted by Docere

New York

Foreign-born 5,697,739

Latin American 2,048,716
East Asian 918,639
European 802,414
Caribbean 786,048
South Asian 590,139
Middle Eastern 270,112
African 200,166

Los Angeles

Foreign-born 4,351,712

Latin American 2,261,081
East Asian 1,261,272
Middle Eastern 306,509
European 216,366
South Asian 131,049
African 64,012
Caribbean 16,494

So New York has at least 200,000 immigrants from each region. L.A. however is #1 for Latin America, East and Southeast Asia and the Middle East. Bay Area is #2 for East and Southeast Asia.

If we expand to Canadian cities, Toronto is the other city with 100,000+ immigrants from each region.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by Docere

Canadian cities:

Toronto

Foreign born 2,874,265

East Asian 775,005
European 644,745
South Asian 596,070
Middle Eastern 278,535
Caribbean 254,460
African 128,785
Latin American 125,980

Montreal

Foreign born 1,025,700

European 285,605
Middle Eastern 255,445
East Asian 129,755
Latin American 104,575
Caribbean 99,175
African 71,505
South Asian 51,040

Vancouver

Foreign born 1,085,610

East Asian 540,120
European 185,410
South Asian 151,250
Middle Eastern 68,615
Latin American 39,270
African 30,295
Caribbean 7,405

Do you have figures for Hamilton CMA and Oshawa CMA so one can get an approximation for Greater Toronto - Hamilton? Likewise, do you have figures for Abbotsford CMA and Chilliwack CA so one can get an approximation for the Lower Mainland (Fraser Valley)? I suppose an approximation for the Greater Golden Horseshoe (Toronto, Hamilton, Oshawa, St.Catharines-Niagara, Brantford, Guelph, KW, Barrie, Peterborough) would be nice too.

I'm guessing the foreign born population of Greater Toronto - Hamilton is around 3.3 million, the Lower Mainland is around 1.2 million, and the GGH is around 3.8 million.