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Originally Posted by Brandon716
I never said Hudak was a boogeyman, I am simply calling him out for what he says: "Tax cuts, spending cuts, cut the bureaucracy" and then he has few plans. He thinks the market can solve all ill's and everything naturally works out by cutting government services, and pretending everything bad comes from a bloated government. Now I've called you out personally for being hypocritical: you say you want this "tax cut, spending cuts, bureaucracy cuts" and then you turn around and tell me that "he isn't going to really cut everything, so he's alright". You can't have it both ways, you can't say he's going to cut everything and solve everything by cutting, then say "oh, but he's going to spend on the important items" as if it makes sense...
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You specifically were worried of Hudak cutting the Eglinton-Crosstown LRT. PCs have never stated they would cut that specific project and to the best up-to-date info eliminating it is not in their platform. Cutting the size and scope of government, yes that needs to be done. The current deficit situation is both unacceptable and unsustainable.
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Originally Posted by Brandon716
It is simplistic thinking at its best, it is stupidity at its worst. There is no boogeyman here, you're pretending that Hudak is a victim... Apparently a victimless crime since nothing was said.
As far as emotion, we've been over the substance already. You've rejected the real progress McGuinty has made. You can refer to the higher quality health funding and the better education standards and the much improved, Green energy record his administration has provided... Pretend it doesn't exist if you want, but McGuinty has made amazing progress for Ontario.
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Never portrayed Hudak as a victim, however giving the impression that he's some evil right-winger with no sense of moral compass isn't realistic either. Cuts in spending need to be made, healthcare costs are going to rise exponentially year after year taking a bigger chuck of the provincial budget. Ontario can either wake up and get our financial house in order or continue with deficit spending that's not sustainable.
Again people give me some examples of McGuinty's progress?? A lot of the "successes" were due to a health tax that was not in his platform and restoration of federal transfers to provinces. The same things in healthcare you portray Harris as cynically cutting, you hypocritically give McGuinty credit as amazing progress; main difference was the federal Liberals in Harris's era were cutting while McGunity's era the Martin Liberals restored. If Eves had somehow won re-election would this have been amazing progress, just sitting on his ass waiting for more transfer money?
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Originally Posted by Brandon716
You're pretty much toting a hardline Conservative viewpoint, pimp. You blame all the ill's of the Harris era on Chretien? LOL That's some pretty baseless rhetoric if I've ever heard it. You've obviously got a vitriolic hatred of the Liberal party both provincially and federally. I simply disagree with the Conservative party on a lot of fronts, I wouldn't blame Harper for McGuinty's ehealth problem (I'm not looking to fill arguments from a purely ideological viewpoint as you're doing in favor of the Conservatives)... But you're going above and beyond just to say the Liberal party is the reason why the Mike Harris government was a failure. The next time a Conservative wants to blame the Mike Harris debacle on the Liberal party, I'll laugh even HARDER than I'm literally laughing at my keyboard right now.
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So to sum up this above point Harris is guilty of gutting Ontario's healthcare funding, yet Chretien's cuts are "baseless rhetoric" despite the factual evidence they slashed transfers to ALL provinces starting in 1995.
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Originally Posted by Brandon716
I guess it is progress that you are admitting that Mike Harris' government was a total failure.
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Unlike other politicians other parties, Liberal (Trudeau, Chretien, McGuinty) NDP(Rae, Clark) and PC/CPC (Mulroney, Devine) Harris kept his word on his platform. The Common Sense Revolution was carried out verbatim to its plan, 30% tax cuts, 30% spending cuts, reforming the municipal/province funding. You can certainly disagree with it for ideological purposes, it was certainly unpopular with special interest groups like public sector unions and the poor since they were not the PCs constituency, but it was an up front agenda of how to get Ontario out of the mess it was in the 1990s. The Budget swung from a ~$17 billion deficit when Harris took over to ~$200 million surplus when he resigned, private investment and low unemployment was flourishing.
But this election isn't about Harris, its about the McGuinty government and specifically if they're worthy of another term in office. They have a financially irresponsible plan and are dishonest about how they intend to fund their spending promises (Health Premiums after 2003 that were not in the platform, HST after 2007 that was not in the platform) and if re-elected some new tax that we need for beyond 2011.
People could appreciated McGunity if he was honest and said yes I plan on raising taxes to pay for services. But of course that would hurt his re-election further and lock the PC majority that'll come in October.