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Old Posted Feb 17, 2011, 10:16 PM
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Thanks. So not quite "a go", but far from cancelled. 66% financed should mean construction wil start sometime soon I would think.
If you're talking about the PAC, they're not going to build it anytime soon (though they have begun the necessary groundwork). The site will be used for a few more years.
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2011, 11:23 AM
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http://tribecatrib.com/news/2011/feb...our-buses.html

City Still Uncertain Over Plans for 9/11 Memorial Tour Buses



The Memorial plaza, under construction last month. Below: A rendering of the completed plaza.


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In less than seven months, millions of visitors will begin flocking to the National Sept. 11 Memorial at the World Trade Center site—many of them traveling by tour bus.

That will mean a lot of buses heading for Lower Manhattan, yet the city has only a vague idea what to do with them.

Members of Community Board 1’s World Trade Center Redevelopment Committee on Feb. 14 got a chance to ask transportation and Memorial officials about their plans for all those buses; where they will they drop off tour groups, where they will park, and just how many buses the city’s streets can accommodate, in theory, as they rumble towards Downtown.

Committee members, to their dismay, learned the city is still trying to figure it out.


“There is no concrete plan being presented here tonight,” committee member and Battery Park City resident Tom Goodkind said. “We’d like to know how many buses will be in the area on a daily basis and where they’re going. If we don’t have a plan in place very shortly, we’re going to have problems.”

Indeed, the officials could say only that they were considering several possible drop-off and layover locations, and that they were “working on” placing way-finding signs and doing outreach to tour promoters.

“Our team’s primary objective has been to minimize the footprint, or better yet, the tire tracks of tour buses visiting the memorial and Lower Manhattan,” DOT Manhattan Borough Commissioner Luis Sanchez said, adding that tour companies will be strongly encouraged to shuttle passengers to destinations such as Long Island City or Liberty State Park in New Jersey, where visitors can use the subway, PATH train or ferry services to get to the Memorial.

Sanchez showed two maps marked with possible locations for bus drop-offs and interim parking zones. Potential drop locations, he said, could be set up anywhere east or south of the World Trade Center site, between Barclay and Albany Street and from Broadway to the West Side Highway.

Layover zones, which would remain in use until the underground Vehicle Security Center opens in late 2013, are being considered for almost anywhere west of Broadway from Warren Street to Battery Park.

“Nothing has been put on paper,” Sanchez said. “We will need to do a more detailed study once we know what the need will be.”

One possible location for a layover zone, Zuccotti Park, drew criticism from the committee because it would hem in one of the few open spaces in the area.

“It would be a shame to turn over Zucotti Park, which the community fought so hard to prevent from becoming a staging ground for the World Trade Center site, to now have it become a bus depot for three years,” committee chairwoman Catherine McVay Hughes said. She also lamented that the DOT failed to take into account buses, taxis and tour groups bound for Lower Manhattan sites other than the World Trade Center.

“It would be nice to see an overlay to see what those impact will be together,” McVay Hughes said.

Sanchez said it had not been determined how often, if at all, the park’s curb sides would be used to accommodate buses.

“It’s something that will need to be fleshed out,” Sanchez said. “Obviously the first priority is to assign them to Trinity and Church Street.”

City officials and Memorial staff are hoping that a timed reservation system, similar to the one used for the Statue of Liberty, will help lend some order to the deluge of visitors to the site. Joe Daniels, president and CEO of the National Sept. 11 Memorial and Museum, announced that passes to the plaza would only be available through advance purchase from the memorial or through select tour companies.

Daniels said companies that disobey city laws would be banned from selling tickets directly to customers.

Daniels also revealed that there would be just one access point to the plaza, requiring visitors to enter at Albany and Greenwich Streets and pass through a welcome center at 90 West Street.


Greenwich Street is still being planned as the primary route for tour buses to reach the Vehicle Security Center at the south end of the site, Sanchez said, though police officials have yet to decide whether security concerns will mean closing the street to vehicular traffic.

The committee also learned that there would be no charge for admission onto the Memorial’s plaza, and that victim’s family members would get first priority for reservations. Special consideration will likely also be given to Lower Manhattan residents, members of the military and first responders, but Daniels said that process has yet to be finalized.

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Do they really need tour buses? There are taxis everywhere. Just call for one and ask him to take you to the WTC. Just have a few tour guides around the park, and have them walk you around the complex. Tour buses seem kind of pointless to me.
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I would imagine that a full tour bus is more cost-effective and less wasteful than for a tour group to hire a fleet of taxis. I hear the subway's pretty fun, though.
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Do they really need tour buses? There are taxis everywhere. Just call for one and ask him to take you to the WTC. Just have a few tour guides around the park, and have them walk you around the complex. Tour buses seem kind of pointless to me.
Or they could just take the subway! The (1) train stops right in the middle of the site, they don't even have to go outside!
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Or they could just take the subway! The (1) train stops right in the middle of the site, they don't even have to go outside!
No, the No. 1 subway will not stop at the World Trade Center site, even though it will essentially bisect the future transit hub they're building now.
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No, the No. 1 subway will not stop at the World Trade Center site, even though it will essentially bisect the future transit hub they're building now.
Yes it will. The new Cortlandt Street station on the 1 train is part of the overall WTC transporation hub project. The station will be about where it was before, under Greenwich Street right in front of the memorial.
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KVNBKLYN is correct. The Cortlandt St. station is to be rebuilt.

If you look closely at the earthcam hires you can see the existing station. It is wider than the subway tube. It runs from the temp PATH entrance almost to the base of #4 Tower.

http://archives.earthcam.com/archive...gzrobotic1.jpg
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Oh yeah, I forgot about the subways. It's NYC, how could have I forgotten about the most important infrastructure...
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It's awful to think about though. Even if you were to make accommodations, just think of hundreds of idling buses with dazed passengers standing just outside clogging sidewalks.

Back in 2000 when I was in high school we went on a field trip to NYC. They parked the tour buses in midtown and we were expected to take the subway or taxis everywhere. That's how we got down to the WTC. No tour bus took us there. It would have been a hassle for the driver, hassle for NYC traffic, and of course limit our experience of the city.

I say make very limiting accommodations. A small drop off zone for say a bus carrying disabled senior citizens for example. The zone would have to be scheduled and reserved ahead of time.
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Do they really need tour buses?
Yes they do, for the sheer numbers they are expecting. The MTA can barely handle current riders to the area - and this is without the WTC being built. The idea of sending buses to JC for the quick ride on the PATH sounds sensible, until you consider that like the MTA, the Port Authority can't handle PATH ridership as it is. Downtown needs a bus terminal anyway(the Port Authority has been studying options for years). Besides, we don't need a repeat of the problems with the buses in Midtown.

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/pd...earig_pres.pdf
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Does anyone know when and how they're going to attach the "spine" to the "ribcage" of the transit plaza?
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Yes they do, for the sheer numbers they are expecting. The MTA can barely handle current riders to the area - and this is without the WTC being built. The idea of sending buses to JC for the quick ride on the PATH sounds sensible, until you consider that like the MTA, the Port Authority can't handle PATH ridership as it is. Downtown needs a bus terminal anyway(the Port Authority has been studying options for years). Besides, we don't need a repeat of the problems with the buses in Midtown.

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/pd...earig_pres.pdf
After reading through the link you gave me, buses seem like the only option at this moment.
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It is becoming more apparent as the days pass that no one knows. Not even the folks that are suposta do the work.

The weather delayed operations. But nothing happening in 3 days, several of which were near perfect conditions, that points to something is wrong.

In my opinion there is a problem with either the nodes or the ribs already in place.

(I am not operating in a void, I have information that shapes my opinion.)
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Just wondering, but what are those two buildings on the lower right-hand side?
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No, the No. 1 subway will not stop at the World Trade Center site, even though it will essentially bisect the future transit hub they're building now.
There will be connections directly to the street as well as through the PATH Hub. Moving from #1 to the other Cortlandt/WTC station will not be a free transfer.
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Just wondering, but what are those two buildings on the lower right-hand side?
According to the PA, they are used for freight access to the memorial museum below.



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Great shot.

Sometimes I wonder about the PA and there information distribution.

Those two buildings are the "West Vent Structures". One of them houses the new vent for the south (in bound) PATH tubes. (The out bound vent is inside Tower One.)

The rest of the two structures is taken up by vent shafts for the memorial and museum as well as elevators, one for freight, and emergency egress stairs and some other things.

The main freight elevators and loading dock are in the south west corner and are completely underground.

Neat little fact about the vent shafts in the "West Vent Structures". They will also collect any rain that falls into them for use in the pools, watering the trees and landscape etc.. Most of the rain that falls on the WTC site will be stored and reused.
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Im just gonna through this out here, for a short discussion. As most of us know, there were 7 final designs that were not chosen. Whats your favorite design out of the other 7. Besides saying your favorite of the 7, lets keep it on topic.


Votives in Suspension


Suspending Memory


Lower Waters


Garden of Lights


Passages of Light: Memorial Cloud


Inversion of Light


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