City Murder Rates - Page 149

Pedestrian · #**2961** Posted **Jul 16, 2021, 7:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by AviationGuy

It happened at an apartment complex not known for problems, but apartments these days, no matter what neighborhood, are a magnet for crime (even when rent is high).

Domestic violence has always been a substantial contributor to homicide and the denser the housing, the more distilled are families and the violence that happens in them. I think it has little to do with "apartments" and simply with dense multifamily housing potentially having many times the number of family units on a given chunk of land and thus many times the potential for homicide.

See the article I posted just above. San Francisco is much denser than Oakland and a lot of San Francisco housing is mid- and high-rise apartments while a lot of the worst parts of Oakland is single family homes. The homicide rate is tremendously higher in those stretches of SFHs in Oakland than in the San Francisco apartments. In this case, it's about demographics, gangs and other factors.

Which of these two neighborhoods do you think has by far the higher crime rate?

West Oakland, CA

Rincon Hill-South Beach, San Francisco, CA

Google Earth

tablemtn · #**2962** Posted **Jul 17, 2021, 8:48 PM**

Portland has 51 homicides (I believe) after a mass-shooting downtown left 1 dead and 6 wounded, and an unrelated shooting in another part of the city left 1 man dead.

https://katu.com/news/local/eight-pe...tland-shooting

https://www.kptv.com/news/police-inv...lock_id=994431

tech12 · #**2963** Posted **Jul 17, 2021, 9:19 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

Domestic violence has always been a substantial contributor to homicide and the denser the housing, the more distilled are families and the violence that happens in them. I think it has little to do with "apartments" and simply with dense multifamily housing potentially having many times the number of family units on a given chunk of land and thus many times the potential for homicide.

See the article I posted just above. San Francisco is much denser than Oakland and a lot of San Francisco housing is mid- and high-rise apartments while a lot of the worst parts of Oakland is single family homes. The homicide rate is tremendously higher in those stretches of SFHs in Oakland than in the San Francisco apartments. In this case, it's about demographics, gangs and other factors.

Which of these two neighborhoods do you think has by far the higher crime rate?

West Oakland, CA

Rincon Hill-South Beach, San Francisco, CA

Google Earth

You're comparing a lower density, lower income, part of Oakland with a high density and wealthy part of SF.

You know SF has low income/rough parts (and it certainly has families lol), why not use them in your comparison? They have a mixture of single family homes and apartment buildings, but are mostly apartments, just like every other part of SF.

One of these areas, the Tenderloin, has the densest census tracts in the city of SF and is entirely apartment buildings. At least 5 of SF's murders so far this year have occurred there, giving it a murder rate so far of 20+ per 100,000 residents, which is not much lower than the rate of 27 in zone 5 of Oakland, that you just posted about.

So, you're wrong when you say that the murder rate in single family home areas of Oakland is "tremendously higher" than in apartment areas of SF. Compared to SF, Oakland obviously has more areas with struggling poor people and a lot of murder, but SF does have similar areas with the same kind of stuff going on at similar rates, just like so many other cities.

Anyway, SF is at 26 murders, up from 24 at this time last year. 119 shooting victims so far, up from 58 at this time last year.

Pedestrian · #**2964** Posted **Jul 17, 2021, 9:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by tech12

You're comparing a lower density, lower income, part of Oakland with a high density and wealthy part of SF.

You know SF has low income/rough parts (and it certainly has families lol), why not use them in your comparison? They have a mixture of single family homes and apartment buildings, but are mostly apartments, just like every other part of SF.

One of these areas, the Tenderloin, has the densest census tracts in the city of SF and is entirely apartment buildings. At least 5 of SF's murders so far this year have occurred there, giving it a murder rate so far of 20+ per 100,000 residents, which is not much lower than the rate of 27 in zone 5 of Oakland, that you just posted about.

The point you are missing is that it's income and other factors that matter, not apartment building vs SFH and that was the point I was making. There's simply no studies that indicate apartment buildings are more associated with murder more than SFHs. If you know of any, cite them. What you have to do is compare the murder rates with density--housing units/sq mile--in mostly apartment areas vs SFH areas. But if apartment living mattered much, then even wealthy areas of apartments--like Rincon Hill--would have more of them. And the post to which I was responding specifically said that even expensive apartments ("even when rent is high") had more murders so your comment is totally off point.

I'll see your Tenderloin and raise you a Bayview which is almost all low rise with a lot of SFH as well as apartments under 5 floors.

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A majority of homicides, 53 to 70 percent, could be traced back to “group dynamics,” Crandall said. Meanwhile, 50 to 77 percent of non-fatal shootings were connected to the groups. Another factor of street violence, Crandall said, was “street disorder,” which is violence connected to homelessness and the drug market — mostly in the Tenderloin. Together those categories accounted for 38 percent of homicides.

But groups committing violence toward other groups to settle disputes was the main driver of the violence, Crandall said. Many of the groups are spread out across the city — in the Bayview, Mission, Ingleside, Park and Northern policing districts, according to the study, which did not specify neighborhoods. Many of the “groups” in the Mission are connected to Norteño and Sureño gangs, whereas groups elsewhere appeared to have fewer formal gang affiliations.

https://missionlocal.org/2021/03/a-d...-in-3-5-years/

KevinFromTexas · #**2965** Posted **Jul 18, 2021, 4:47 AM**

Causes metrowide
Shooting - 47
Stabbing - 5
Strangled - 0
Suffocation - 0
Throwing (of child) - 0
Beating - 0
Vehicular homicide - 0
Blunt force trauma - 1
Sharp force trauma - 0
Unlisted cause - 5
Domestic terrorism - 0

Austin totals
Downtown - 5
Central Austin - 2
East Austin - 6
North Austin - 9
Northeast Austin - 6
Northwest Austin - 6
South Austin - 4
Southeast Austin - 6
Southwest Austin - 0
West Austin - 0

Victims
Male - 40
Female - 12
Unlisted - 5

| Jan 7 | Feb 10 | Mar 11 | Apr 7 | May 7 | Jun 9 | Jul 6 | Aug 0 | Sep 0 | Oct 0 | Nov 0 | Dec 0 |

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| Mon 7 | Tue 7 | Wed 8 | Thur 7 | Fri 5 | Sat 9 | Sun 13 |

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Murder cases

Code:

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/suspect-charged-with-capital-murder-after-man-was-found-dead-in-round-rock/?utm_campaign=alert_bar&utm_source=side_bullets - Round Rock shooting - 1/9

1 dead - https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/one-person-dead-after-shooting-in-northeast-austin - Austin shooting - 1/11

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-5000-brighton-road - Austin shooting - 1/18

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/01/22/hays-county-sheriffs-office-investigating-apparent-shooting/6681601002/ - Buda shooting - 1/21

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-killed-after-shootout-between-two-groups-at-north-austin-complex-police-say/ - Austin shooting - 1/23

2 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-1912-w-35th-street - Austin shooting - 1/26

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/one-person-dead-after-shooting-in-north-austin/?fbclid=IwAR2QlQlGL89M9QlIMXNDSAU9spvMEhu31Cpqo8Jsl-tQaPXWOlrPLuNNY4o - Austin shooting - 1/29

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/police-investigating-suspicious-death-in-east-austin-2/ - Austin shooting - 2/2

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/police-investigating-suspicious-death-in-southeast-austin-3/ - Austin obvious trauma - 2/3

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/suspicious-death-being-investigated-in-central-austin/ - Austin shooting - 2/6

2 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/elderly-couple-found-dead-in-suspected-murder-suicide-at-cedar-park-home/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR2d0OJqQ9Lwib8K-06sGBipshijYzvjNIcP2vCkMkef1W-GjrUamnIZ9ws - Cedar Park murder/suicide - 2/9

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/19-year-old-man-stabbed-and-killed-northeast-austin-fight-police-say/ - Austin stabbing - 2/16

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-faces-murder-charge-after-wife-found-dead-at-south-austin-hotel-room/ - Austin unlisted cause - 2/16

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/toddler-dies-during-february-winter-storm-austin-police-investigating-as-homicide/ - Austin unlisted cause - 2/18

2 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/travis-county/travis-county-deputies-investigate-possible-murder-suicide-involving-two-male-relatives/ - Pflugervile shooting - 2/19

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/story/news/crime/2021/06/25/hutto-teacher-julie-hall-disappearance-husband-travis-hall-charged-with-murder/5352450001/ - Hutto blunt force trauma - 2/19 

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/one-man-dead-after-shooting-at-north-austin-apartment-complex/ - Austin shooting - 2/28

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/police-investigating-deadly-shooting-in-downtown-austin-early-sunday-morning/ - Austin shooting - 3/14

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-arrested-on-murder-charge-after-san-marcos-woman-found-dead-on-backyard-patio/ - San Marcos body found - 3/15

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/homicide-investigation-underway-after-death-thursday-morning-in-north-austin/ - Austin shooting - 3/18

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/one-person-dies-in-southeast-austin-shooting/ - Austin shooting - 3/21

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/police-reporting-to-scene-of-shooting-incident-in-northwest-austin-residents-should-avoid-the-area/ - Austin shooting - 3/22

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-investigating-suspicious-death-in-south-austin-neighborhood/ - Austin shooting - 3/25

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-6600-block-bradley-dr - Austin shooting - 3/27

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-taken-to-a-hospital-with-life-threatening-injuries-after-shooting-at-east-austin-home/ - Austin shooting - 3/28

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-11100-block-n-ih-35-svrd - Austin shooting - 3/28 

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-investigating-homicide-in-nw-austin/ - Austin shooting - 3/31

1 dead - https://www.kvue.com/article/news/crime/leander-texas-police-knife-suspect/269-2018951c-a1c4-4d00-b9b4-c543b4ff4e3a - Leander stabbing - 3/31

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-investigating-deadly-shooting-in-se-austin/ - Austin shooting - 4/6

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/austin-police-investigating-homicide-in-north-austin/ - Austin shooting - 4/13

3 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/active-shooter-reported-at-arboretum-in-northwest-austin-3-reportedly-injured/ - Austin shooting  - 4/18

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/poli...stin-homicide/ - Austin shooting - 4/25

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/poli...in-apartments/ - Austin shooting - 4/29

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-...dziJCzKgAY6OeM - Austin shooting - 5/2

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/16-y...n-bell-county/ - Austin shooting - 5/5

1 dead - https://www.kvue.com/article/news/cr...a-a8fd7e9920c3 - Lockhart shooting - 5/7

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...g-for-suspect/ - Austin shooting - 5/15

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/15-y...wntown-austin/ - Austin shooting - 5/20

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homi...us-highway-290 - Austin shooting - 5/23

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/story/news...ty/5286265001/ - Pflugerville stabbing - 5/31

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/top-stories/tcs...-south-austin/ - Pflugerville shooting - 6/1

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...theast-austin/ - Austin shooting - 6/11

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...mass-shooting/ - Austin shooting - 6/12

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...-north-austin/ - Austin shooting - 6/12

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-...n-parking-lot/ - Austin shooting - 6/17

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/1-de...stin-shooting/ - Austin shooting - 6/20

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...n-east-austin/ - Austin shooting - 6/23

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...y-expo-center/ - Austin shooting - 6/24

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...ied-by-police/ - Austin stabbing - 6/27

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/1-de...in-cedar-park/ - Cedar Park shooting - 7/7

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/man-dead-t...thwest-austin/ - Austin shooting - 7/12

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/1-pe...ar-6th-street/ - Austin shooting - 7/17

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/homi...tion-shooting/ - Austin shooting - 7/17

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/ceda...tment-complex/ - Cedar Park stabbing - 7/20

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/will...ning-homicide/ - Round Rock shooting - 7/26

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Pending cases

Code:

1 dead - https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/apd-investigating-deceased-person-in-hotel-room-in-north-central-austin - 2/14 

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/travis-county/18-year-old-found-dead-on-recycling-center-conveyor-belt-in-travis-county/ - 3/24

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/28-year-old-dies-morning-after-fight-at-east-austin-strip-club-suspect-arrested/ - Austin beating - 4/7

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/adult-pronounced-dead-after-being-found-in-ravine-by-bystanders-off-us-290/ - Austin body found - 5/20

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/man-dies-after-reportedly-being-run-over-by-car-in-north-austin-parking-lot/ - Austin vehicular homicide - 6/25

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Austin area population

City: 995,484 (July 1, 2020 estimate) - source: US Census Bureau
Travis County: 1,273,954 (July 1, 2019 estimate) - source: US Census Bureau
Metro: 2,295,303 (July 1, 2020 estimate) - source: US Census Bureau

Area - City: 297 square miles (2010) - US Census Bureau
Area - Metro: 4,285 square miles - Wikipedia
Area - Travis County: 1,023 square miles - Wikipedia

ilcapo · #**2966** Posted **Jul 18, 2021, 12:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by ilcapo

30/6 2021

Sweden (pop 10.2 mil)
Estimated total: 56 (21 deadly shootings)

Stockholm Metro (pop 2.3 mil)
Estimated total: 24 (13 deadly shootings)

Within City limits/Municipality (Pop 960.000)
Estimated total: 10 (6 deadly shootings)

Gothenburg/Göteborg Municipality (Pop 578 000)
Estimated total: 6 (2 deadly shootings)

Malmo/Malmö Municipality (Pop 344 000)
Estimated total: 2 (1 deadly shooting)

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London, UK (pop 9 mil)
Estimated total: 59 (5 deadly shootings, 40 stabbings)

17/7 2021

Sweden (pop 10.2 mil)
Estimated total: 61 (24 deadly shootings)

Stockholm Metro (pop 2.3 mil)
Estimated total: 26 (15 deadly shootings)

Within City limits/Municipality (Pop 960.000)
Estimated total: 11 (7 deadly shootings)

Gothenburg/Göteborg Municipality (Pop 578 000)
Estimated total: 7 (3 deadly shootings)

Malmo/Malmö Municipality (Pop 344 000)
Estimated total: 2 (1 deadly shooting)

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London, UK (pop 9 mil)
Estimated total: 69 (5 deadly shootings, 47 stabbings)

James Bond Agent 007 · #**2967** Posted **Jul 19, 2021, 2:35 AM**

I was just looking at the police dept websites of several cities and noticed that in 3 of the 5 cities I looked at, murders are down this year compared to last.

St Louis has had 90 murders through the end of June:
https://www.slmpd.org/crimestats/NIBRS001-C_210506.pdf
Last year it had 101 murders through June, and in 2019 it had 92 through June:
https://www.slmpd.org/crimestats/CRM0013-BY_202006.pdf (scroll to last page).

Kansas City has had 79 murders through July 16. Last year at the same time it had 101:
https://www.kcpd.org/media/3577/7162...e-analysis.pdf

Chicago has had 382 murders through July 11. Last year it had 387:
https://home.chicagopolice.org/wp-co...21-Week-28.pdf

NYC has had 225 murders so far this year. Over the same time last year it had 215. So it's only up a little bit:
https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/dow...en-us-city.pdf

The one city I looked at doing really bad is LA. Through July 10 last year it had 156 murders, but this year that's up to 194:
http://lapd-assets.lapdonline.org/as...f/cityprof.pdf

Skoobeatz · #**2968** Posted **Jul 19, 2021, 12:56 PM**

Youngstown Ohio: population 63,675
(16) murders
(72) shot
YTD

https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news...ns-south-side/

Acajack · #**2969** Posted **Jul 19, 2021, 7:52 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilcapo

17/7 2021

Sweden (pop 10.2 mil)
Estimated total: 61 (24 deadly shootings)

Stockholm Metro (pop 2.3 mil)
Estimated total: 26 (15 deadly shootings)

Within City limits/Municipality (Pop 960.000)
Estimated total: 11 (7 deadly shootings)

Gothenburg/Göteborg Municipality (Pop 578 000)
Estimated total: 7 (3 deadly shootings)

Malmo/Malmö Municipality (Pop 344 000)
Estimated total: 2 (1 deadly shooting)

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London, UK (pop 9 mil)
Estimated total: 69 (5 deadly shootings, 47 stabbings)

Thanks for these numbers.

Sweden's figures aren't sky-high but still higher than I'd expect given the image of the country most people have.

They're similar to Ottawa and Toronto which I would say are high-ish for Canada. (Though Winnipeg is even higher than them.)

London seems fairly similar to Montreal, which is what I'd consider normal (or acceptable) for Canada.

I'd expect Australian cities like Sydney and Melbourne, aside from extreme outlier years, to be fairly similar to London and Montreal.

ilcapo · #**2970** Posted **Jul 20, 2021, 10:02 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acajack

Thanks for these numbers.

Sweden's figures aren't sky-high but still higher than I'd expect given the image of the country most people have.

They're similar to Ottawa and Toronto which I would say are high-ish for Canada. (Though Winnipeg is even higher than them.)

London seems fairly similar to Montreal, which is what I'd consider normal (or acceptable) for Canada.

I'd expect Australian cities like Sydney and Melbourne, aside from extreme outlier years, to be fairly similar to London and Montreal.

Yes, Sweden and Canadas numbers are comparable.

We have seen a decrease in "drunken murders" and stabbings which used to be the majority of the cases, but we have increased alot in gun violence.

I believe Sweden is the only country in western europe that has increased in gun-murders since 2000 and we currently have the second highest rate in Europe only topped by Croatia.

The city of Malmö has historically been a "hot-spot" but it has now shifted to Stockholm

Acajack · #**2971** Posted **Jul 20, 2021, 12:50 PM**

Yes, those "drunk guys fight each other outside a bar at 2 am, one falls and hits his head on the cement and dies" types of murders have dropped a lot here in Canada too.

When I was younger (in the 1990s) a significant number of murders were fights at bars, outside bars or at parties. Generally with punches, sometimes with knives, but rarely with guns.

Acajack · #**2972** Posted **Jul 20, 2021, 12:57 PM**

I believe Montreal had its 14th yesterday.

It was a woman killed in a spousal murder.

There have been 14 such murders in Quebec this year. Not all in Montreal of course. It's become a big media and political issue here.

James Bond Agent 007 · #**2973** Posted **Jul 20, 2021, 4:04 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acajack

Yes, those "drunk guys fight each other outside a bar at 2 am, one falls and hits his head on the cement and dies" types of murders have dropped a lot here in Canada too.

When I was younger (in the 1990s) a significant number of murders were fights at bars, outside bars or at parties. Generally with punches, sometimes with knives, but rarely with guns.

I suspect the aging of the population is partly to credit for that. Older people tend to go to bars late at night less than younger guys do.

Pedestrian · #**2974** Posted **Jul 20, 2021, 4:10 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acajack

Thanks for these numbers.

Sweden's figures aren't sky-high but still higher than I'd expect given the image of the country most people have.

They're similar to Ottawa and Toronto which I would say are high-ish for Canada. (Though Winnipeg is even higher than them.)

London seems fairly similar to Montreal, which is what I'd consider normal (or acceptable) for Canada.

I'd expect Australian cities like Sydney and Melbourne, aside from extreme outlier years, to be fairly similar to London and Montreal.

When I was in Sweden in the 1970s it was the only European country where I saw drunks lying around on sidewalks at all hours of the day and night. You didn’t see that in America then either. I was rather shocked but it’s been my image of Sweden ever since.

Acajack · #**2975** Posted **Jul 20, 2021, 6:23 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

When I was in Sweden in the 1970s it was the only European country where I saw drunks lying around on sidewalks at all hours of the day and night. You didn’t see that in America then either. I was rather shocked but it’s been my image of Sweden ever since.

Yes, the prevalence of public drunkenness, which is exists in almost all societies (except rigid Muslim ones) is one of the most shocking things about "the Nordics" in general.

While the share of murders that resulted from it was high, the overall number of murders remained quite low back then. At least in some cities, considerably lower than today - where murders typically occur for other reasons as we know.

ilcapo · #**2976** Posted **Jul 21, 2021, 3:16 PM**

Norway (pop 5,3 mil) is currently at 11, and greater Oslo (pop 1.5 mil) is at 5.
All 5 within city limits (pop 700.000)

Acajack · #**2977** Posted **Jul 22, 2021, 2:39 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acajack

I believe Montreal had its 14th yesterday.

It was a woman killed in a spousal murder.

There have been 14 such murders in Quebec this year. Not all in Montreal of course. It's become a big media and political issue here.

Actually it was Montreal's 13th.

And according to Toronto police they are at 37.

Smuttynose1 · #**2978** Posted **Jul 26, 2021, 11:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Smuttynose1

Here are a few stats for some East Coast cities. With the exception of maybe Philly, things seem to be settling down a bit. Boston and Cincinnati are actually down compared to this time in 2020.

Boston YTD: 19 Down 10%
Rate: 2.7 per 100K

New York YTD: 212 Up 12%
Rate: 2.5 per 100K

Washington DC YTD: 89 Up 13%
Rate: 12.9 per 100K

Chicago YTD: 326 Up 1%
Rate: 12 per 100K

Philadelphia YTD: 269 Up 36%
Rate: 17 per 100K

Cincinnati YTD: 37 Down 21%
Rate: 12.3 per 100K

An Update from several weeks back. All of the above are moving in the right direction from then, save for Cincinnati. Notably, Boston has fallen below NYC. Not sure there's been a year in recent history where the murder rate in Boston has been lower than New York's.

Boston YTD: 20 Down 33%
Rate: 2.85 per 100K

New York YTD: 238 Up 1%
Rate: 2.88 per 100K

Washington DC YTD: 111 Up 3%
Rate: 16.09 per 100K

Chicago YTD: 428 Down 1%

Rate: 16.07 per 100K

Philadelphia YTD: 315 Up 31%
Rate: 19.81 per 100K

Cincinnati YTD: 50 Down: 6%
Rate: 16.66 per 100K

Crawford · #**2979** Posted **Jul 27, 2021, 1:40 PM**

Overall violent crime rates in NYC for July 2021 are trending to be the lowest in recorded history (records go back to the late 1950's). Also, subway crime is trending to near record-lows (granted, there are fewer riding transit during the pandemic).

So the reality is that the nation's largest city currently has the lowest crime rates ever recorded. Guarantee this news won't make any impact on the "American cities are violent hellholes" narrative.

Acajack · #**2980** Posted **Jul 27, 2021, 10:24 PM**

Ottawa now at 12 after one last night in the heart of the city (very close to Canada's federal parliament).

Toronto is at 41.

Montreal is holding at 13.