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Originally Posted by mhays
Why would Clayton's downtown be related to the size of the city of Clayton?
It's the #2 downtown for the whole region.
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I just think it's interesting. Especially since Clayton's role as the second CBD (or more in reality St. Louis County's CBD) really solidified in the last 30 years. Nine out of Clayton's 20 tallest structures have been built since 1990, for example.
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Originally Posted by Steely Dan
I just checked out that new PwC building and it isn't even a full class A office building. It looks to be 4 floors of office space sitting stop 7 levels of parking garage.
It just astounds me that downtown St. Louis has gone over 3 freaking decades without any proper class A office tower getting built. Has that happened to any other major US city downtown?
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It's also not even the premiere building of Phase II of BPV. That honor goes to One Cardinal Way, but that's housing.
As for any other major city, I'm not certain. There have been historic conversions for office space, but at the same time a lot of historic office buildings we're also turned into condos and apartments, especially lofts. The historic Railway Exchange Building, which is the second largest in downtown by square footage, was supposed to be next up but the developer is currently caught up in a myriad of legal disputes.
I also recall reading a few years ago that metro St. Louis has the second most decentralized jobs market from its respective downtown. Only Detroit was more decentralized. I'm not certain if that's changed recently.
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Meanwhile, Clayton just built a brand new sparkly 400' tall proper class A office tower.
I simply have to believe that Clayton's success is somehow related to downtown St. Louis' office development doldrums.
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It's certainly part of it, but it's also worth noting that St. Louis proper has gotten new office buildings. Many of them just went and are going in outside of downtown. Developers have been especially interested in The Central West End, The Cortex Innovation District, Midtown, etc.
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Originally Posted by craigs
Chicago has managed to swing a downtown boom while the larger region stagnates, and that seems like magic to me. It would appear St. Louis has not been able to replicate that trick, with the exception of a tower or two in Clayton which are probably closer to more workers (by car) than downtown St. Louis.
St. Louis has a lot more to offer than its growth rate would indicate--Forest Park is top notch, for example, and something you cannot find almost anywhere in the sunbelt.
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Again, St. Louis' jobs market is highly decentralized from its downtown proper. Many of those jobs are apread across the central corridor that stretches from downtown Clayton through the city to downtown St. Louis. It's a rather weird dynamic that the Post actually covered back in 2016.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.stl...8c4e2.amp.html