NEW YORK | World Trade Center Memorial & Transit Hub - Page 170

BrownTown · #**3381** Posted **Mar 15, 2016, 2:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by Submariner

Only the PA could budget an 8 track train station (with two tracks still not operational, 1.5 decades after 9/11) for 2 billion dollars, blow through the budget, double it's original cost, take years longer than promised and fuck up one of the most important parts of any mass transit hub - smooth ingress and egress.

Nah, the MTA could totally do it to. NJT as well. Nothing around New York seems to be very well designed or economically budgeted. Thank God so much infrastructure was built back 100 years ago before all the current NIMBYism and politics made it impossible to get anything done in the North East. It's going to take a serious disaster (probably the closing of the Hudson Tunnels into Penn Station) before New York decides that they need to actually focus on their infrastructure instead of just letting it rot away.

Crawford · #**3382** Posted **Mar 15, 2016, 6:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by drumz0rz

I'm also curious where these mythical "unopened staircases" are. They have completed two of the platforms. You can walk them end to end. All staircases, escalators and elevators are open.

None of this is true.

You have obviously never been down to the station if you think it's fully operational. Only a small portion of the station, including staircases and passageways, is operating. Only one of the three main staircases is operating. Two of the main subway connections aren't close to done. Even the main hall isn't fully open.

People just like to complain. If the station wasn't opened now, they would complain. But now it's open, but people are complaining it isn't fully operational. Then once fully operational, the complaint will be that it's too big, and that the money could have been better spent on something else (even though it couldn't, because this is federal money specifically intended for 9-11 related rebuilding).

This is probably the best looking urban transportation hub in modern times. Issues of functionality can be considered when the hub is actually fully functional.

Crawford · #**3383** Posted **Mar 15, 2016, 6:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by BrownTown

Nah, the MTA could totally do it to. NJT as well. Nothing around New York seems to be very well designed or economically budgeted. Thank God so much infrastructure was built back 100 years ago before all the current NIMBYism and politics made it impossible to get anything done in the North East. It's going to take a serious disaster (probably the closing of the Hudson Tunnels into Penn Station) before New York decides that they need to actually focus on their infrastructure instead of just letting it rot away.

An even more ridiculous post. The vast majority of regional transportation infrastructure was built over the last 100 years, and the region already spends more on rail-related infrastructure than basically anywhere.

The regional transportation network is in much better shape than at any point in any of our lifetimes.

Crawford · #**3384** Posted **Mar 15, 2016, 6:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by CIA

Yup. +1. All of it. I've read on many transit blogs that the platforms and station setup did nothing to improve PATH capacity. It will basically be the same capacity as pre-2001. What a wasted opportunity.

Especially the platforms. They are so narrow and takes awhile for them to clear of riders coming off trains. Good points on the way the 33rd street station is setup. It would make perfect sense if WTC was configured the same way but nope.

Ridiculous post #3. See previous comments.

And a station cannot increase rail capacity. That makes no sense. The station could be bigger than Alaska and it would do nothing for capacity, which is 100% dictated by the capacity in the Hudson tubes.

BrownTown · #**3385** Posted **Mar 15, 2016, 11:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

An even more ridiculous post. The vast majority of regional transportation infrastructure was built over the last 100 years, and the region already spends more on rail-related infrastructure than basically anywhere.

The regional transportation network is in much better shape than at any point in any of our lifetimes.

Ok, maybe 80 years and not 100, whatever. And the amount they spend is the whole punchline here you know. The point is they spend so much and get 1/10th of what most other major cities get in return.

Crawford · #**3386** Posted **Mar 17, 2016, 12:28 PM**

There are other issues that people aren't getting.

1. The budget includes all the temporary PATH stations in the interim (three of them)

2. All cost overruns at WTC, whether or not they were related to the station, were funneled into the station budget

3. The biggest source of cost overruns comes from the city, and has zero to do with the Calatrava station. The city insisted that A. the memorial open by the 10th anniversary and B. that the 1 train tube never shut down. These two issues basically added a half-billion in costs.

Even if we built a dump of a station, using the cheapest possible materials, and most low-end design, it would cost megabillions. The Calatrava design isn't even the main factor in the overall costs.

So the overall complains are frankly stupid. The high costs are a function of the site, and the various competing players (city and two states), not the design. The issues with the design itself can be fully considered once the station is fully operational and at full capacity.

jbermingham123 · #**3387** Posted **Mar 18, 2016, 2:18 AM**

Enigmatism415 · #**3388** Posted **Mar 19, 2016, 2:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Submariner

Only the PA could budget an 8 track train station (with two tracks still not operational, 1.5 decades after 9/11) for 2 billion dollars, blow through the budget, double it's original cost, take years longer than promised and fuck up one of the most important parts of any mass transit hub - smooth ingress and egress.

It's largely because of the insistence that the memorial plaza be open by the ten-year anniversary. The station should have been completed first!

ArtDecoRevival · #**3389** Posted **Mar 22, 2016, 12:40 AM**

They both could have been done in time for the 10th anniversary. With years to spare. The PA can't chew bubblegum and walk at the same time.

Nexis4Jersey · #**3390** Posted **Mar 26, 2016, 3:09 AM**

Taken on Tuesday - 3/22/16

Inside the PATHasaurus in Lower Manhattan by Corey Best, on Flickr

QUEENSNYMAN · #**3391** Posted **Mar 27, 2016, 9:35 AM**

Thanks for sharing those great pictures!

Dac150 · #**3392** Posted **Mar 27, 2016, 2:16 PM**

Any projected open date for the connector between the Fulton Transit Center and PATH?

weidncol · #**3393** Posted **Mar 27, 2016, 9:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dac150

Any projected open date for the connector between the Fulton Transit Center and PATH?

Late April

chris08876 · #**3394** Posted **Mar 29, 2016, 2:14 AM**

Oculus-111 by EyeTunes, on Flickr

Oculus-146 by EyeTunes, on Flickr

Enigmatism415 · #**3395** Posted **Mar 30, 2016, 9:47 PM**

Future RW connection (Downtown & Brooklyn):

ArtDecoRevival · #**3396** Posted **Apr 5, 2016, 5:38 AM**

So I visited the Hub last week. I'm not really sure where that 4 billion went.... *sigh*.....

ArtDecoRevival · #**3397** Posted **Apr 5, 2016, 10:39 AM**

Sorry about the large pic, guys. I uploaded it to imgur and don't know how to resize it.

drumz0rz · #**3398** Posted **Apr 7, 2016, 2:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by ArtDecoRevival

Sorry about the large pic, guys. I uploaded it to imgur and don't know how to resize it.

You can use the thumbnail sizes instead so they're not so huge. To do that you just add the size at the end of the file name:

s = small (90x90)
b = ?? (160x160)
m = medium (320x240)
l = large (640x480)(I reccommend this size for this forum)
g = idk..? (680x510)
h = huge (1024x768)

For example, I added an l at the end of the file name (before the extension) of your last photo:

^ imgur.com/42wbLg2l.jpg

aaron38 · #**3399** Posted **Apr 7, 2016, 2:54 PM**

Looks better on the inside. Inside it has a soaring grace, cathedral like. On the outside, it still looks like a turkey skeleton.

RobEss · #**3400** Posted **Apr 11, 2016, 7:47 PM**

Has anyone else noticed the grating engine-hum that comes from the rafters of the oculus? The HVAC units must have been either unfinished or defective, because the noise they made was ugly and indiscreet - imagine a squadron of vacuums high above your head.