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Old Posted Dec 21, 2006, 12:49 AM
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NHL in PDX??

I realize this isn't on a skyscraper development but I thought some of you might me interested in this newswire:


Penguins Weighing Options After Casino-funded Arena Plan Fails


Dec 20, 6:01 PM (ET)

By ALAN ROBINSON
PITTSBURGH (AP) -The Pittsburgh Penguins gambled on getting a new arena for free from a slots-machine casino firm and failed, leaving owner Mario Lemieux with the difficult decision he never wanted to make.

Does a long-successful franchise with an enthusiastic and loyal fan base move on from this setback and negotiate a so-called Plan B deal with state and local politicians? Or do the Penguins simply move to another city?

The Pennsylvania gaming board voted unanimously Wednesday to award Pittsburgh's only slot-machine casino license to Detroit-based developer Don H. Barden's PITG Gaming, rather than Penguins-supported Isle of Capri Casinos. Isle of Capri was committed to building a $290 million arena next to the casino, at no team or taxpayer expense, if it obtained the slots license.

The Penguins were discouraged by the rejection of the Isle of Capri proposal, which came less than a week after Canadian businessman Jim Balsillie pulled out of a seemingly completed $175 million deal to buy the 40-year-old franchise. Balsillie apparently was scared off by the NHL's insistence that he couldn't move the club if the Isle of Capri proposal was rejected.

Now, the Penguins must find not only a new buyer but also a new way to build the arena or, if Lemieux has exhausted his patience after seeking a new arena for seven years, a new city in which to play. Kansas City, Houston and Portland are interested in landing one of the league's youngest and most promising teams, led by two stars who have yet to turn 21 in NHL scoring leader Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin.

"At this point, our franchise enters a period of uncertainty, with our lease at Mellon Arena set to expire this summer," Penguins chief executive officer Ken Sawyer said. "We will re-evaluate all of our options before deciding on a course of action and making further comment."

The Penguins' lease at 45-year-old Mellon Arena ends in June, and Lemieux is free to move the team after that. But the Hall of Fame player, one of the most popular athletes in Pittsburgh history, likely would move the team only if he has no other option.

Still, Lemieux warned on Monday, "We own the franchise, and we decide the fate of the franchise."

Even as NHL commissioner Gary Bettman issued a doom-and-gloom statement that the Penguins' days in Pittsburgh might be ending, state and local leaders rushed forward with promises that a new arena can be financed and built independently of any gambling parlor.

"The decision by the Gaming Commission was terrible news for the Penguins, their fans and the NHL," Bettman said in a statement. "The future of this franchise in Pittsburgh is uncertain and the Penguins now will have to explore all other options, including possible relocation. The NHL will support the Penguins in their endeavors."

A preliminary proposal from Gov. Ed Rendell calls for the Penguins to contribute about $8 million upfront and $4.5 million a year for 30 years for an arena that would be built near Mellon Arena. The site has been purchased, for about $20 million, and officials said a groundbreaking ceremony could be held within days of a deal being struck.

"I will shortly reach out to the Penguins' owners about finalizing our financing package for the new arena," Rendell said Wednesday.

Rendell said he is uncertain how much negotiating would be required because the Penguins, citing their contract with Isle of Capri, have declined until now to consider any other proposal.

Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato and Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl jointly promised the Penguins a new arena, and soon.

"Let me reach out to Mario here," Onorato said. "What the two of us are committing today is that we're going to be here under this plan and get it done."

Ravenstahl added, "There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that we can get this deal done."

The winning bidder for the Pittsburgh casino, Don Barden, is committed to contributing $7.5 million a year toward the Plan B arena, and an additional $7 million would come from a state development fund - a considerable chunk of the estimated $300 million-plus price tag.

Now that the Isle of Capri plan has failed, the Penguins' alternate path to a new arena now appears to be paralleling that of the Pirates and Steelers.

In 1998, Plan B deals to build new stadiums for the Steelers and Pirates were negotiated and completed only weeks after Allegheny County voters overwhelmingly rejected a half-cent increase in the county sales tax to pay for the stadiums.

This time, the Steelers and Pirates reacted nervously to the news that Barden's casino would be built within a few blocks of their stadiums, possibly creating traffic congestion on the fast-developing North Side - especially on weekends. The casino is to be built next to the Carnegie Science Center, which is across the street from the Steelers' Heinz Field.

"We are extremely disappointed in the decision of the Gaming Commission to award the casino license on the North Shore," Steelers president Art Rooney II said in a statement. "It seemed it was a process that was designed to give little weight to local interests and the result is indicative of that. We will have to consider all of our options in determining how to respond to this decision."

Barden, who owns five other casinos, said his Las Vegas-style casino is expected to open in March 2008, a month before the Pirates' season begins.

Pirates president Kevin McClatchy promised to work with Barden, but said he is discouraged that Lemieux now must begin his arena quest anew. McClatchy also wondered if parking and logistical problems might develop when two disparate entertainment crowds - one seeking baseball, the other big bucks - converge a few blocks apart.

"I don't think mom and dad are going to bring the Boy Scouts to the casino and then go to the Pirates game a few hours later," he said.
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i admit that i probably wouldn't go to any games but the penguins are a up and coming franchise with the lebron james of hockey: sidney crosby. It would be cool to see them in portland but i don't see it happening
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If portland has a chance i'd be on board...hockey is one of those sports thats more exciting in person than on tv. Theres no nhl team in the NW either and i think there would be a good fan base to support it. Here's hoping
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on the sports topic, i think we'd make a good MLS town and it would give PGE Park a purpose again past minor league shenanigans. i'd be up for hockey too, it is more exciting to see in person
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^ Not enough people care about soccer in a serious way. The same could be said about hockey but at least the NHL has found some success in many of their markets, MLS citys barely know their there.
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MLS has had a steady strategy built around long-term growth and sustainability. granted, they have lost a lot of money, but it is starting to turn around, and the first few teams are turning profits now. portland as a soccer town would work better than other places i think, given that the Timbers have one of the highest average attendances in the USL, and the fact that all we do have is the Blazers, and the two seasons hardly overlap.

personally, i'd be much more likely to go to soccer matches than hockey, or baseball for that matter
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personally, i'd be much more likely to go to soccer matches than hockey, or baseball for that matter
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When the Coyotes moved into Phoenix I was hooked within a month. Never before they showed up, or since I've moved away, have I been able to watch it on TV, but the thrill of the live action...it is an exciting sport, I'd love to see the NHL in Portland!
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It wouldnt take much to get NHL hockey in Portland, we've got a fairly new arena that can easily take on more events than just a few Trailblazers games a week. I too would love to see the NHL in PDX.

My guess is that this Penguins talk about moving is more to milk money out of Pittsburgh.
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My guess is that this Penguins talk about moving is more to milk money out of Pittsburgh.
Very true. Plus, Paul Allen would have to sign off on it, and he's reliably unreliable.
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^nope, I don't think he does have any sort of veto anymore...if Global Spectrum decides to bring in a team, they own the arena. From my understanding, Pauly doesn't control anything about the Rose Quarter anymore, including some dates on the Blazers schedule...
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^^^^^That's great then. The last thing we need is Allen stifling our NHL and MLB hopes again, just to keep his Blazer monopoly.
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Paul Allen=not very smart(with his $)...portland could have been his city but he blew it big time. And, if he takes the blazers away from portland he will never be allowed in to this town again.
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I agree, pdxman... I am positive the whole Rose Quarter is going to do better without him...

From today's online Portland Business Journal:

Rose Quarter No. 1 with events
Portland Business Journal - 11:31 AM PST Thursday



The Rose Quarter finished 2006 with more events than any other venue in the world with 15,000 seats or more, according to Venues Today, a magazine covering the arena and stadium industry.

Global Spectrum, operators of the Rose Quarter, captured the 2006 Hall of Fame Award for Bookings, according to the publication.


The Rose Quarter had 191 shows in 2006 and was No. 3 with attendance of 872,208 and No. 8 with $28.4 million in revenue.

No. 1 with attendance was Madison Square Garden Arena in New York City with 1,306,061. No. 1 with revenue was also Madison Square Garden with $106.4 million.

The Rose Quarter's 191 events do not include Trail Blazers games, Winter Hawks games, LumberJax games and other selected events.

This is the second consecutive year the Rose Quarter captured a Hall of Headlines award and the only venue to repeat as a winner. Last year, the first year Global Spectrum managed the Rose Quarter, the arenas were named into the Hall of Headlines for marketing.

Last year, the Rose Quarter recorded more than $20.7 million in ticket sales (No. 9), 709,337 in attendance (No. 3) and 152 total events (No. 1).
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why does the article keeping saying Rose Quarter? Does that entail both the Garden and Coliseum? If it's just the Rose Garden that's certainly impressive.
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Penguins aside, why doesn't the NW have a hockey team? We can get as cold as Canada....just ask Spokane. I think an NHL team would do good. I would probably go to the games just for the fun of it. I am not a hockey fan, but they are fun to go to.

I doubt the Penguins will move here, I have been to Pittsburgh, they seem to be very religious about their sports teams. Either way, I like the idea. Of course if they used the Coliseum, it could mean new life for that building, which would be cool too.
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I just watched a story on espn.com and it said the team was no longer for sale but that there's a good chance of it moving. Portland, unfortunately, was not mentioned as a city by the commentators on espn but ya never know.
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Pens start looking out of town



By Jeremy Boren and Rob Rossi
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, December 22, 2006

Penguins owner Mario Lemieux is threatening to take his hockey sticks out of town.
Politicians are trying to stop him.

"After seven years of trying to work out a new arena deal exclusively in Pittsburgh, we need to take into consideration the long-term viability of the team and begin discussions with other cities that may be interested in NHL teams," Lemieux said in a statement Thursday.

"The team is off the market, and we will begin to explore relocations options in cities outside Pennsylvania," he said.

Eager to allay fears the team will leave, Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato spoke with National Hockey League Commissioner Gary Bettman by phone yesterday. Afterward, Onorato minimized the NHL's threats to allow the Penguins to move.
"Nothing's really changed, other than Mario and Bettman, in their last two statements, have stressed the legal ability for them to move the team, which is not news. We all knew that," Onorato said. "They have a legal right to shop it around."

Ravenstahl said he was encouraged after talking to Bettman, but stressed the need to talk with Lemieux.

"We can't negotiate with ourselves," Ravenstahl said. "Until we have the opportunity to negotiate with the Penguins' ownership group, we won't know for sure" about the club's future.

Negotiations for a new arena are on hold until the team's deal with St. Louis-based Isle of Capri Casinos expires in March. Isle of Capri and the team lost a bid for a state slots license to Detroit-based Majestic Star Casinos.

Majestic Star is pledging to contribute money to an arena, but Isle of Capri had offered to pay $290 million for that purpose immediately.

Two cities are interested in the Penguins -- Portland, Ore., where the Rose Garden plays host to the NBA's Trail Blazers, and Hamilton, Ontario.

Kansas City's Sprint Center is scheduled to open in September, but that city won't land the Penguins unless Lemieux and minority owner Ron Burkle sell.

Last month, William Del Biaggio III signed a long-term lease with the Sprint Center giving him exclusive rights to bring an NHL club to Kansas City. Del Biaggio had agreed to purchase the Penguins in 2005, but the team pulled out of the deal that summer after winning the rights to draft center Sidney Crosby.

Rose Garden general manager Mike Scanlon said his decade-old facility is ready. It can seat 20,000 people for hockey, and underwent a $12 million upgrade last year. It could house the Penguins by September, Scanlon said.

"We're not going to try and take away a hockey team from somebody, but we've made the NHL aware that if a team is up for relocation, we are interested," Scanlon said.


Hamilton City Councilman Terry Whitehead said attracting a hockey team is a goal, but the city's 17,500-seat Copps Arena would need at least $50 million in renovations.

Whitehead said Hamilton would need "an owner with deep pockets." Hamilton is close enough to Toronto and Buffalo that representatives on the NHL Board of Governors could challenge placing a club there, Whitehead said.

Canadian billionaire Jim Balsillie, who has ties to the Hamilton area, last week broke off talks with the NHL to purchase the Penguins.

Winnipeg, Manitoba, is an unlikely candidate to attract the Penguins. That city's MTS Centre seats about 15,000, and the NHL would insist on an arena that could hold at least 17,000, a league source told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

Doug Hall, general manager of Houston's Toyota Center, said he could not comment about the Penguins.

Pittsburgh's Sports & Exhibition Authority still hopes to build an arena. But it would be paid for with yearly contributions from the casino, sale of naming rights, a 30-year tax-exempt bond issue and a to-be-negotiated commitment by the Penguins.

"We're willing to perhaps match the Pirates' deal," Ravenstahl said. The baseball team pays $1.6 million a year on a 30-year lease at PNC Park.

SEA Executive Director Mary Conturo said there were no plans to meet with the Penguins regarding a new arena.

She said the Penguins believe an arena could be built in 24 months, instead of 27. Groundbreaking could happen in September, not June.

Onorato and Ravenstahl canceled a scheduled news conference today with Majestic Star CEO Don Barden after Lemieux issued his statement.

"If the Penguins do end up leaving Pittsburgh, it's not because there won't be a new arena," Majestic Star spokesman Bob Oltmanns said. "There's absolutely going to be a new arena."

Officials can't discuss alternate financing for an arena until the Penguins are released from their obligation to Isle of Capri, or it expires, Oltmanns said. He called the situation "unfortunate."

Onorato said he's optimistic about reaching a deal.

"There might be some bad feelings on Mario's side, but I think everybody is going to step back and see this might be Gary Bettman's way of saying, 'We need to get this done or this team will leave.' "

Marc Ganis, president of Sportscorp LTD, who advised Allegheny County in the 1990s on deals to build North Shore stadiums for the Steelers and Pirates, said he wasn't surprised by Lemieux's stance.

"It's smart," Ganis said. "(The Penguins) have to find a way to maximize the value of the franchise. If they are in the middle of a contentious, difficult, drawn-out negotiation with the public sector, they are going to be diminishing their asset.

"They're doing this for two reasons: First, it applies a certain amount of pressure on the public sector. Second, in case a deal in Pittsburgh can't be worked out, it advances their options."

Staff writer Andrew Conte contributed to this report.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_485225.html
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Sweet pieces! I would love to have a hockey team...portland penguins--it sounds good to me
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Portland could finally have a rivalry with Vancouver!
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