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i am happy that the new courthouse is going in the former Beaver Lumber, just where i had hoped. Now for the destruction of Highfield Square.
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Highfield's kiss of death came years ago when they built Trinity Drive. It's just taken them a long time to keel over.

I still think people are jumping the gun on this Metro Centre thing. Best case scenario is it wouldnt' happen for five years. There's been no site work, designing, or even debate at council about it. I can't wait for it to happen though
I'm sure you're right but this proposal has taken on a life of it's own so I would not be surprised to see progress on this issue beginning in the short term.

Mayor LeBlanc is planning to start a feasibility study very shortly. This will be followed by debates in council and a call for federal and provincial support on the proposal. This will then be followed by RFP's and a formal tendering process, followed by issuing of contracts and the construction process itself.

Yes, it will take five years minimum. Best to get started right now!!!

So long Highfield.
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So what's the big construction site next to the Irving HQ on Dieppe Blvd going to be? And this isn't the expansion of Midland's offices.
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Justice centre finally okayed
Published Friday October 24th, 2008


Province selects private partner to build complex at former Beaver Lumber property
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By Jesse Robichaud
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A new justice centre will be built on the former Beaver Lumber property at the corner of Westmorland Street and Assomption Blvd.
Heavy equipment will soon break ground at the former Beaver Lumber property located just below Main Street where Moncton's new justice centre will be built by the fall of 2010.

Supply & Services Minister Jack Keir announced yesterday that Dartmouth's CitiGroup Properties has been chosen to build the $50-million structure.

After years of waiting, the province will finalize the details of the plan with its private sector partner over the next 30 days, and if all goes as plan construction will begin before winter arrives.

"It's a matter of days, not weeks and months," said Keir, mindful of past delays.

The 11,970-square-metre (133,000-square-foot) courthouse will contain 15 courtrooms.

Court staff, sheriff services, victim services, probation services and Crown prosecutors will all find a home within the complex.

It will feature a law library and will offer 188 parking spaces, which includes an 84-spot parking garage.

While those wondering whether the project would ever take flight are breathing a sigh of relief, questions abound around the nearly doubled price of the project, and the reasons it has taken this long to strike a deal.

The Lord government actually held a sod turning ceremony in 2005 -- about 40 months ago -- at the Beaver Lumber property. At that time the price of the project was an estimated $28 million.

In fact, a statement released by the province yesterday highlighted the lengthy evolution of the project by calling the announcement a "milestone in the procurement process."

Keir acknowledged that the project has taken an extraordinary amount of time.

"Did it take a little while? Yeah, but I think the folks of Moncton are going to be extremely happy with what they get," said Keir.

"It's been a long affair, I buy that. But you know, you want to get it right. It's a $50-million capital cost on a building, and $80,000 to $1 million operating costs every year for 30 years."

Keir said it took time for his government to put together a request for proposals that would generate enough competition between developers to ensure taxpayers would get a good deal in the public private partnership.

"I think anytime you go into a (public-private partnership) contract, there is discussion on risk, there are reasons why government wants to go into a (public-private partnership,) and that is to push some of the risk onto the private sector," said Keir.

"There is some discussion that has to take place to ensure that. You put a tender in place that ensures you are going to get some bids."

Beyond the time that was added by the public-private process, Dieppe Centre-Lewisville Tory MLA Cy LeBlanc suggests the Liberal government's decision to partner with the private sector has sharply increased the price of the project.

"There is no way that the private (sector) can build a building and not make any money," said LeBlanc, noting that increased costs of building materials alone cannot explain an increase in costs of over $20 million.

"The government can also borrow at a cheaper rate. When they start to charge more because they have to take larger risk, that is a problem for the taxpayer."

The design and planning phase of the new justice centre has undergone several twists and turns, and one provincial election.

Concerns were heard at one point when it was reported that the new building would only feature 18 parking spots and no secure parking for the judiciary. The location of the proposed Beaver Lumber site was also a subject of controversy among some community groups who wondered how the project would fit in with a number of other major developments that are still yet to materialize.

But Keir was confident that any and all concerns have been addressed through a very specific and time-intensive tendering process.

"It is going to be building that I am sure Moncton will be very proud of," he said.

Keir noted that the tendering process was done in a manner similar to the way the province selection a firm to build Casino New Brunswick near Magnetic Hill.

The process kept cabinet ministers and most department staff unaware of what each firm was offering until yesterday morning when cabinet met in Fredericton.

"This was a very detailed analysis of these proposals. Obviously, first and foremost we wanted to ensure that New Brunswickers get the bang for their buck," said Keir.

"By far and away, the proposal put in by CitiGroup was very, very good, and certainly from a tax point of view very good for the people of New Brunswick."

CitiGroup beat out three other bidders, including Ashford Investments Inc. of Moncton, Bore Park Place Inc. of Moncton, and Huntingdon Real Estate Investment of Winnipeg, Man.

The wait for the announcement has not only frustrated law professionals who use the courts currently located within Assomption Place, it has also been cited as a hurdle to further downtown development.

Developments around the former Beaver Lumber property have popped up in recent years, and now potential developers of other major projects, such as a new downtown metro centre, can now move ahead knowing where the justice centre will be located.

That opens up other sites that had been considered for the justice centre, and provides a significant anchor for other new projects that are pegged for downtown.

Downtown Moncton Centreville Inc. came out in support of the project yesterday, saying it will work with the province to help ensure that it offers an attractive and efficient design.

Keir said the complex will be on the cutting edge of new construction.

"Part of the process that we went through in determining the bid winner is we looked at other jurisdictions, other buildings of similar stature, to determine if we were getting the best bang for our buck."
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Downtown property owners want say in design of new projects
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Yesterday's long-awaited announcement of a new Justice Centre complex for Downtown Moncton could be the catalyst for a convention and/or metro centre, but officials caution that it could take some time.

"The location of the justice centre on the former Beaver Lumber property doesn't restrict our ability to place a metro centre downtown, there's still lots of room," Ian Fowler, the city's general manager of parks, recreation, tourism and culture said yesterday.

Supply and Services Minister Jack Keir announced yesterday that CitiGroup Properties of Dartmouth has been selected as the preferred proponent to build the new $50-million Moncton courthouse under a public-private-partnership (P3) with the Province of New Brunswick. The development will take place in the former Beaver Lumber Property behind the Assumption building. The 11,970-square-metre (133,000 square foot) courthouse will house 15 courtrooms and court staff as well as sheriff services; victim services; probation services; family support services including mediation; Crown prosecutors; and a law library. There will be 188 parking spaces on site, including 84 in an underground parking garage. It is scheduled to be completed in the fall of 2010.

Moncton Mayor George LeBlanc said he was delighted with yesterday's announcement, saying it was very good news for the city, but not sure how quickly it will impact the city's plan to build a metro centre or convention centre in the downtown.

Fowler said the city is just about ready to publish the RFP (Request for Proposals) for a downtown metro centre. Under that process, interested developers will study the idea for a downtown metro centre, how big it should be, what facilities it should include, investigate possible locations and determine the approximate capital cost to build it and the annual operating costs.

A new metro centre for downtown would not replace the existing Moncton Coliseum-Agrena Complex. It would likely have at least one ice surface for hockey games and other sports and seating for about 20,000 people for events and concerts. It might also include a convention centre complex and space for retail shops, restaurants and other businesses. It would cost several million dollars to build a metro centre. The annual operating cost could be comparable to the Coliseum, which is around $3.3 million per year. To help keep costs under control, the city would likely need to find corporate sponsors and other forms of revenue.

But the location of a metro centre is still up in the air. Fowler said there are several possibilities, including an area on East Main Street across from the police station, the area near the corner of Vaughan Harvey Boulevard and Main Street, and the current location of the Highfield Square shopping mall. Fowler agreed there might be some horse-trading going on between property owners and developers before anything happens. For example, the Highfield Square property is owned by the Empire Group, the parent company of the Sobeys supermarket chain. Another player is the Verdiroc Corporation of Toronto, which owns a parcel of land by Westmorland Street near the Beaver Lumber property where the justice centre will be constructed. Officials from Verdiroc could not be reached yesterday for comment on their future plans for the land. Verdiroc had long been touted as a possible developer of a convention centre downtown.

Now that the provincial government has made a commitment to building the justice centre, Downtown Moncton Centre-Ville Inc. wants to make sure that downtown businesses, property owners and other stakeholders have a say in what it looks like.

Daniel Allain, executive-director of Downtown Moncton Centre-Ville, said in an interview yesterday that local business owners have been waiting since 2003 for the justice centre announcement. He said several owners have been putting off expansion and renovation plans while waiting for the building boom and changes to the landscape.

He said DMCI wants the province to set high-quality design standards for the building and work with developers to make sure it is something the city can be proud of.

"This courthouse can be something that is talked about in our downtown and a high-quality project that can turn our downtown around," said Allain, who returned to his position this week after taking a leave of absence to run in last week's federal election.

He said DMCI wants to be included in the process of choosing a design.

"We want to bring our stakeholders to the table and make sure we have a great design that everybody can work with. It's a community building, like Blue Cross and the City Hall complex. This is a building that will mark our downtown and will be here for the next 50 years, so let's make sure we do it right."

Allain recalled how Downtown Moncton fought for a say in the design of the Gunningsville Bridge several years ago. When the first design came down, it was quite plain and included only a narrow sidewalk. Downtown Moncton, under former executive-director Ken Kelly, lobbied for a more esthetically pleasing bridge with a wider sidewalk that would double as a bicycle lane. In the end, the province spent the extra money.

Denis Losier, CEO of Assumption Life, said plans are already underway to fill the space that will be left vacant by the Justice Department when the move takes place in three years. He said courtrooms and other justice facilities currently take up about 60,000 square feet over several floors of the 20-storey Assumption Building.



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The T&T's awful editing aside (" It would cost several million dollars to build a metro centre"...right), it's good to see some real movement downtown.

I do have one concern though. When the casino site was still up in the air, DMI and others were often quoted speculating that as soon as we hear an announcement on the casino, we'll see a lot of developers come forward for projects downtown. Then they switched to 'as soon as the courthouse is announced, we'll see some movement on projects...'. I really wonder what kind of an effect the city doing so much speculating about a metro centre will have on this trend of putting things off.

I guess my point is, if a courthouse is enough of a reason to hold off on a project on speculation alone, what's a major infrastructure project like a metro centre going to do? Development can't get put off forever while waiting for the next major civic project to get announced.
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Thanks....I didn't even notice lol!



lol...Go to the dentist and then have Breakfast...but I think that would be a good spot for it...near to the housing behind Trinity.



Thank-you...I just think that it's a much more logical location. I understand some want to continue the buildings down Main by having at Suburu...but I'd rather see another 'assumption building' type structure built on that footprint and put the Justice Center where I suggested.

One thing no one has considered for down town that I'd love to see is an outdoor skating rink over looking the city and the river like:

Wollman Rink NYC:


Rockefeller Center NYC:


Boston Common Boston (lumierefl-flickr):


Nathan Phillips Square Toronto (Britannica):


Old Port Montreal (Quebec Tourism):


to name a few...that would be cool.

That would bring people downtown in the 'winter' and help the businesses downtown.

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Another possibility for the outdoor rink could be the current location of Fire Station 3 (Assumption Bvd), seeing as it will move to Botsford. I havent heard what the city has planned for that piece... probably more parking
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Good idea C-Boy!

I also thought about somewhere near the market...people go to the market in the morning and go skating too! People could skate on their lunch breaks from the offices and new court house!
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So what's the big construction site next to the Irving HQ on Dieppe Blvd going to be? And this isn't the expansion of Midland's offices.
Are you sure that it isn't the expansion of the Irving HQ building? Didn't Robert Irving say last year that he was planning on doubling the size of both the office building and the Midland trucking facility?
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Glad to hear DCMI is interested in making sure the design will be no less than excellent. Also the way these articles are sounding we could be looking at a whole new design.

In renovation news,

Boston Pizza should re-open in a week or so, they were putting the logos and stuff up over the last couple of days, it looks really nice. Glass and stonework abound

The RBC office at the corner of Vaughn Harvey and Mountain is now undergoing an exterior reno.

Champlain is looking better and better by the day...the food court is very nice now, they put in these cool wooden partitions, makes it feel less like eating in a massive gym and more like a resturant (to a point).
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Kent Hills Wind Farm

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On the tracks (behind Moncton High)

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Downtown (I miss summer already )

Credit: Danny Leblanc (duh haha)
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Sorry to overload the thread, but Im bored at work haha...

On flickr this guy Danny Leblanc just posted quite a few pics of moncton from the past few years (2005 and beyond) some really great stuff I must say heres a link to his page on Flickr where you can see his pics:

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Cathedral / Aliant Tower


From the riverbank


Chateau Moncton


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From the mountain at night
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Are you sure that it isn't the expansion of the Irving HQ building? Didn't Robert Irving say last year that he was planning on doubling the size of both the office building and the Midland trucking facility?
The Midland Transportation Warehouse is looking good and freaking huge.
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Metro poised for more growth
Published Saturday October 25th, 2008

Justice centre could kick off more business development
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The new downtown justice centre will help establish Moncton as a centre for commerce in Atlantic Canada and spur continued development in the future, Business New Brunswick Minister Greg Byrne said yesterday.

"I think that Moncton has so many natural advantages here that it is important that we build on those advantages and build a strategy that is right for Moncton," Byrne said yesterday following a speech to a gathering of local business leaders put on by Enterprise Greater Moncton at the Moncton Golf & Country Club.

This week's long-awaited announcement that a developer has been chosen to build the new $50-million courthouse and justice centre could be the catalyst to a new phase of change for Metro Moncton. The provincial government announced Wednesday that CitiGroup Properties of Dartmouth has been selected as the builder. The new courthouse will be located on the former Beaver Lumber property behind the Assumption Building. It should be completed by the fall of 2010.

Byrne said the immediate impact will be felt with the hiring of workers, purchasing of materials and other aspects directly related to construction. Afterward, it will add to the tax base and act as a magnet to other businesses looking to set up shop downtown or other parts of Metro Moncton.

Premier Shawn Graham has already said he expects Moncton to become an entertainment hub and has promised financial support from the province toward construction of a new metro centre in the downtown as well. Construction of a casino is also under way and the city is preparing to put out a Request for Proposals for the design of the metro centre, which would include an ice surface, convention centre and likely space for retail and other businesses.

Moncton North MLA and provincial health minister Mike Murphy said yesterday he is certain the justice centre will become an "iconic building" that will set the stage for future development.

Murphy said the justice centre will transform Assumption Boulevard into a second Main Street that has already seen a flurry of activity with new apartment buildings, sports fields and other developments leading toward the new Gunningsville Bridge across the Petitcodiac River to Riverview. He also noted the provincial government has pumped money into restoration of the river and hinted that Moncton could see some pleasant surprises in next year's capital budget.

"There could be some significant things for Moncton in the capital budget."

Brian Baxter, a downtown businessman with his finger on the pulse of development downtown, said he was delighted about the justice centre announcement, but disappointed that a Moncton company didn't get the contract to build it. Baxter, a former president of the downtown Oulton's College and the Moncton Rotary Club, said all eyes seem to be on the downtown and see the idea of a metro centre as a good idea.

"It's a great opportunity for us. They did it in Halifax and Saint John and we can do it too."

The idea of the justice centre has been bouncing around for several years, just like the idea of a convention centre and casino for the downtown.

Several project ideas have come and gone as the Beaver Lumber site has sat vacant.

Bernard Cyr, a Moncton developer who tried several ideas for the site, is said to be out of the country this week and not available for comment. Officials with Verdiroc, the Toronto development company which also owns parcels of land adjacent to the Beaver Lumber site, have also been unavailable for comment on their possible future plans in Moncton.

Byrne's speech to an audience of local business people in Moncton yesterday sounded very much like the speeches Frank McKenna used to give in the mid-1990s as he promoted Metro Moncton and New Brunswick in general as a developing centre of commerce for Atlantic Canada.

Byrne said this province has many advantages -- like a good quality of life, a geographical hub, transportation infrastructure and educated, bilingual workforce -- which will help attract new business and expatriate New Brunswickers back to the fold. He said the future is bright for knowledged-based businesses, information technology, aerospace and defence, manufacturing, value-added resources, food and beverage businesses and many others.

He said quality of life goes a long way and people in Toronto are surprised to learn they can work so close to home that they can go home at lunchtime and let the dog out. He said the province is working on many investment opportunities, business retention and expansion and finding new ways to help businesses raise capital, become more cost-effective and competitive.

He said Moncton has business success stories everywhere you look, and that should continue in the future.

"I think that Moncton is well-positioned and has been well-positioned to continue to have significant economic success."
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St. George St. revamp builds momentum

Published Saturday October 25th, 2008
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The ongoing plan to spruce up St. George Street will be the main topic of discussion on Tuesday morning as Downtown Moncton Centre-Ville Inc. holds its annual fall business meeting.

Jim Sackville of BDA Landscape Architects will be guest speaker at the breakfast meeting and give an overview of the conceptual plan, which will serve as a blueprint for the future.

The meeting will be held Tuesday, Oct. 28 from 8 a.m. to 9 a.m. at the Moncton Press Club. Admission is free and property owners, merchants, downtown employees and anyone else with an interest in the future of St. George Street is welcome to attend. A continental breakfast will be served.



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Speaking of St. George st. I passed by yesterday and that new apartment building next to Shoppers is basically complete....I must say, it really made a big difference in the whole feel of that section of the street...adds a lot of density.

The next project must be to make underground lines on that street, and make a nice sidewalk feel with lights etc. That would do wonders for the street, which already has quite a bit of retail etc. built up.
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Speaking of St. George st. I passed by yesterday and that new apartment building next to Shoppers is basically complete....I must say, it really made a big difference in the whole feel of that section of the street...adds a lot of density.

The next project must be to make underground lines on that street, and make a nice sidewalk feel with lights etc. That would do wonders for the street, which already has quite a bit of retail etc. built up.
The city has been rebuilding stretches of saint george for a couple years now. I imagine the downtown stretch is probably due pretty soon. Maybe that'd be something worth writing the city about.

I'd really like to see the parking lot across the street from the Cathedral get the same sort of development. St. George isnt' really all that well suited to high density housing, but it could certainly handle being lined with 3-5 story buildings with street level retail.

Also, the stretch from Major Drilling down to King Street could really use some sprucing up. That whole area has seen much better days.
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re: the Cora's at 500 Mapleton Rd., I can definitively put an end to this ongoing saga. I drove by the McManaman construction site today and they now have a billboard up clearly indicating the presence of a Cora's on the ground floor of the building.

Now we can move on to more exciting things. What's this from The Sleuth today about the Aquatic Complex in Dieppe sinking into the boggy ground on which it was constructed? Inquiring minds want to know. Is this really the poorly planned boondoggle that the newspaper intimates? I'm so glad I live in Moncton and not Dieppe. Between this and their gold plated city hall, Dieppe's municipal tax rates will be through the roof for the next 20 years. Kinda reminds me of the Big Owe in Montreal.
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On News 91.9 today, while driving home, they announced that Ron Joyce was going to be gifting Mount Allison University with $5 million to establish the "Ron Joyce Centre for Business Excellence". I'm not sure if this will entail new construction or not, but they did say that they hoped to increase enrollment in the Business (Commerce) program by over 200 students over the course of the next several years.
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Metro should fend off recession

Diversified economy offers region advantage

By Jesse Robichaud
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Published Monday October 27th, 2008


There are rough economic waters looming on the horizon for much of Canada as a financial storm pounds down on the United States and most of the world.

But while worrying scenarios are running through the minds of Canadians from Newfoundland's offshore oil rigs to Vancouver's stock exchange, Metro Moncton remains on the course it began charting when it started diversifying its economy as a means of recovering from the closure of the CN shops.

Assumption Life CEO Denis Losier says Metro Moncton, and much of New Brunswick, is in a better position than many parts of the country as it approaches what he thinks will be a nationwide recession.

"There are good and bad things. We never had the boom and bust that Calgary and other areas of the country have had," said Losier.

"That helps because we are used to operating very efficiently in the best and in the worst of times."

Losier said Metro Moncton's economy has been built to sustain more hardship than it was capable of withstanding before diversification became its strategy.

"Since the CN closures and Eaton's, obviously, we are much more diversified economy, in terms of warehousing, distribution, call centres, light manufacturing, all of these areas have been developed fairly well," said Losier, a former provincial cabinet minister responsible for economic development.

"We are a more service oriented economy than we were 20 years ago, and that's fine, that's good," said Losier, who cautioned that no local economy can isolate itself from overwhelming global market forces.

The City of Moncton's economic development specialist, Ben Champoux, says Metro Moncton's diversified economy has never been in a better position to fend off an economic slowdown.

"As soon as you don't have all of your eggs in one basket, your chances of going through tougher times more effortlessly are much greater," he said, noting no single sector makes up more than 10 per cent of the region's economy.

Champoux compares the stability of Metro Moncton's economy to the growth of a mutual fund.

"It is made up of a bunch of shares from a lot of sectors, unlike the '70's and '80's when we were a blue collar manufacturing town."

Champoux sees Canada's economic downturn as a growth opportunity for Metro Moncton, which has been posting record construction and employment numbers.

He says when those strong indicators are combined with the most affordable housing market in the country and an attractive quality of life, Metro Moncton could come out on the winning end of the shake-up that is about to hit the country.

Champoux said Metro Moncton's message can make bigger waves in tough economic times than it can when the North American economy is running red hot.

"When they are working hard, they are making lots of money, and they can afford to live anywhere, they aren't as receptive as they are today," said Champoux of workers who may eye the region in the coming months.

Indeed, he believes said the current economic forecast has made Metro Moncton an attractive destination.

"Today the economy is slowing down, people are starting to lose their jobs in the major centres across North America, and suddenly in Moncton we have a bright economy," said Champoux.

"Suddenly all of those key messages that we bragged about for years suddenly resonate louder than ever before."

Champoux said there are even some sectors that are being stimulated by the financial unrest felt elsewhere. He said RBC's call centre in Moncton is receiving more calls than ever before, which has pushed RBC to add hours to shifts and hire on new employees.

"I am not saying that some jobs in Moncton haven't suffered because that would be naïve on our part, but the bottom line is that we are better equipped than ever to go through those times."

On top of posting record job numbers in recent months, Champoux said the City of Moncton alone had issued more than $100 million in building permits by the end of September.

That number doesn't include a $90 million casino, a $50 million justice centre announced yesterday, and the bulk of a $15 million stadium at the Université de Moncton, or upcoming commercial and hotel developments.

"When you combine record years of construction activity with record employment levels, these are strong indications that consumer confidence remains strong in Moncton," said Champoux.

"It shows our consumers, our citizens, are not too concerned yet by what we hear through North America."

Champoux said Metro's position as a centre of retail and entertainment will not be threatened by a downturn in the economy, because he said the majority of people who are drawn to the city for shopping and major events are from the Maritimes.

He said for those visitors, Metro Moncton remains a bargain at a time when they may be forced to tighten their belts.

Champoux said another indication of consumer confidence is strong is that 91 per cent of new building permit values are generated by the private sector, and he noted new commercial developments near the Trinity Power Centre, and significant renovations to Champlain Place in Dieppe.

He said developers wouldn't be making these investments if Metro Moncton was in a risky situation.

"That's why we're confident that Moncton is better equipped than ever before to not just survive the hard times that are mentioned throughout North America, but grow significantly throughout the hard times," he said.

Still, Losier says no economy can be fully isolated from the pain that will be felt in the coming months as the United States' appetite for exports declines.

"There might be a silver lining there, but it's not very thick," said Losier.

"It might help rationalize some companies, and force them into situations where they are much more productive. But if credit isn't available to maintain whatever operations they have, or to finance production for exports... if the exports problems collapse in the U.S., we have a problem."

Losier says he wouldn't put much stock in the Bank of Canada's predictions that Canada will avoid falling into a recession, and he said more needs to be known about the state of Canada's economic outlook.

He said it is not yet clear how indebted Canadian consumers are compared to the United States, and he said it is impossible to say how consumers and investors will react if the economy continues to deteriorate.

"It's psychology driven right now more than fact-driven. If people are preoccupied and scared and they cash in all of their investments, it might take longer for things to come back."

But as long as the credit crunch doesn't kill major projects in New Brunswick's burgeoning energy sector, he says some projects could benefit from workers returning home to the province.

Two noted New Brunswick economists, Donald Savoie of the Université de Moncton and David Murrell of the University of New Brunswick, have stated that the province's overall economy will suffer less than other parts of the country due to three factors.

Firstly, they say the province's forestry and tourism sectors have already been in recession over the past two years.

Secondly, they say plummeting oil and commodity prices will keep the value of the Canadian dollar low and in turn stimulate the province's economy, which relies heavily on exports to the United States and American tourism dollars.

Thirdly, they say the active presence of large, and well-established companies like the Irving and McCain business groups provide strong anchors for the province's economy at a time when capital could become scarce.
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Sigh...

I know the election is over. Dion lost, and the Green Shift is no more, but that article is too much. The Transcript ran a dozen articles and opinion pieces claiming that a tax on carbon would ruin the local economy. Now they're coming out saying that a national downturn won't have too big an effect because the economy is diversified?

Also, Vancouver doesn't have a stock exchange. it was merged with the TSX about 8 years ago.
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