Next southern city to build a tower in the 85-100 story range

[Dariusb]

Leaving Miami out since they've already accomplished this feat; what southern city will be next to do this? Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, Austin or Nashville?

[Steely Dan]

Considering that no US city outside of NYC and Chicago has ever built a skyscraper over 85 floors tall, it's not really a question of "next", but rather "first".

Here are the ten tallest american skyscrapers (outside of NYC & Chicago) by floor count, according to the SSP database:

1. Miami - panorama tower - 81 floors
2. Seattle - columbia center - 76 floors
3. Houston - 600 travis - 75 floors
4. LA - US bank tower - 73 floors
5. LA - Wilshire Grand - 73 floors
6. Dallas - BofA plaza - 72 floors
7. Houston - wells fargo plaza - 71 floors
8. Atlanta - westin peachtree - 70 floors
9. Detroit - ren cen marriott - 70 floors
10. Miami - aston martin - 66 floors


My best guess says that Miami will probably be the first US city (outside of NYC & Chicago) to build an 85+ floor tower. Miami builds a lot of tall residential, and that kind of floor count will be easier to achieve in a residential tower (they typically have much lower floor-to-floor heights than office towers).

[Dariusb]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Considering that no US city outside of NYC and Chicago has ever built a skyscraper over 85 floors tall, it's not really a question of "next", but rather "first".

Here are the ten tallest american skyscrapers (outside of NYC & Chicago) by floor count, according to the SSP database:

1. Miami - panorama tower - 81 floors
2. Seattle - columbia center - 76 floors
3. Houston - 600 travis - 75 floors
4. LA - US bank tower - 73 floors
5. LA - Wilshire Grand - 73 floors
6. Dallas - BofA plaza - 72 floors
7. Houston - wells fargo plaza - 71 floors
8. Atlanta - westin peachtree - 70 floors
9. Detroit - ren cen marriott - 70 floors
10. Miami - aston martin - 66 floors


My best guess says that Miami will probably be the first US city (outside of NYC & Chicago) to build an 85+ floor tower. Miami builds a lot of tall residential, and that kind of floor count will be easier to achieve in a residential tower (they typically have much lower floor-to-floor heights than office towers).

Thanks for the clarification. I thought Miami had a building 85 stories but I stand corrected.

[dave8721]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Considering that no US city outside of NYC and Chicago has ever built a skyscraper over 85 floors tall, it's not really a question of "next", but rather "first".

Here are the ten tallest american skyscrapers (outside of NYC & Chicago) by floor count, according to the SSP database:

1. Miami - panorama tower - 81 floors
2. Seattle - columbia center - 76 floors
3. Houston - 600 travis - 75 floors
4. LA - US bank tower - 73 floors
5. LA - Wilshire Grand - 73 floors
6. Dallas - BofA plaza - 72 floors
7. Houston - wells fargo plaza - 71 floors
8. Atlanta - westin peachtree - 70 floors
9. Detroit - ren cen marriott - 70 floors
10. Miami - aston martin - 66 floors


My best guess says that Miami will probably be the first US city (outside of NYC & Chicago) to build an 85+ floor tower. Miami builds a lot of tall residential, and that kind of floor count will be easier to achieve in a residential tower (they typically have much lower floor-to-floor heights than office towers).

Wikipedia's lists Panorama at 85 stories but I have seen 82 or 81 usually listed for it.

[Steely Dan]

^ the SSP and CTBUH databases both say 81 floors.

That's good enough for me.

No database is perfect, but Wikipedia would be one of the very last databases I would trust when it comes to skyscraper stats.

[Hudson11]

Austin, if they can get the FAA clearance. They're booming, and the demand stems from big tech. Google, Indeed, whos next, Amazon? Facebook?

[JManc]

Originally Posted by Hudson11

Austin, if they can get the FAA clearance. They're booming, and the demand stems from big tech. Google, Indeed, whos next, Amazon? Facebook?

Austin's boom is mostly residential though and doubt they're anywhere close to getting to these heights.

[Hudson11]

Originally Posted by JManc

Austin's boom is mostly residential though and doubt they're anywhere close to getting to these heights.

847ft isn't far off with 6 X Guadalupe. Or Fourth & Brezos at 823ft. A mixed use tower might make it, and I've heard rumors that a potential development at railyard is promising?

https://austin.towers.net/two-towers...skyline-twice/

[JManc]

Originally Posted by Hudson11

847ft isn't far off with 6 X Guadalupe. Or Fourth & Brezos at 823ft. A mixed use tower might make it, and I've heard rumors that a potential development at railyard is promising?

https://austin.towers.net/two-towers...skyline-twice/

But 85 stories? I just don't see it anytime soon. Austin is cranking out a lot of buildings but they're just now building a 65 floor building (6X) with most proposals in that ballpark.

[chris08876]

My vote is for Dallas.

Wasn't there that Ross Perot tower at one point. Hopefully something rises on that parcel. I recall it being a promising site.

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...=213541&page=4

1.5+ mil sq ft might do it.

[pj3000]

Panorama Tower in Miami is tall for nothing. Really ugly building. It’s too bad it’s the city’s tallest. Never realized it had that high of a floor count though, since it’s only around 830’ or so to the roof.

[MolsonExport]

Jacksonville. Then it will really outclass Toronto.

[C.]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Jacksonville. Then it will really outclass Toronto.

[SIGSEGV]

I voted for Atlanta but I doubt any of them get it any time soon. Atlanta at least has heavy rail and could support a denser core.

[BnaBreaker]

My money would probably be on Austin too. There are TONS of tower cranes on the Nashville skyline, but our buildings tend to be within the 300-600 range.

[iheartthed]

It will have to be a tier 2 metro: Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Miami. Very hard to see it happening in Austin or Nashville. Also, Charlotte should be an option, since it s probably far more likely to build a super-tall than Nashville. I chose Dallas, but I think that Houston is just as likely.

[BG918]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

It will have to be a tier 2 metro: Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Miami. Very hard to see it happening in Austin or Nashville. Also, Charlotte should be an option, since it s probably far more likely to build a super-tall than Nashville. I chose Dallas, but I think that Houston is just as likely.

With as flashy as Dallas is I am surprised their skyline is still pretty much the same as it was in the 90’s. I know uptown has seen a ton of growth but it has mostly been midrise. Dallas needs a new super tall, and will probably get one before these other Southern cities

[DanielG425]

Originally Posted by BG918

With as flashy as Dallas is I am surprised their skyline is still pretty much the same as it was in the 90’s. I know uptown has seen a ton of growth but it has mostly been midrise. Dallas needs a new super tall, and will probably get one before these other Southern cities

Dallas needs its first super tall

[WhipperSnapper]

SSP is the best source for Toronto.

[JManc]

Originally Posted by JAYNYC

Dallas could - and should, IMO - have the strongest (tallest and most dense) skyline in the Southwest + Southeast corridor (basically the area between Texas and the Carolinas). Problem is, the overwhelming majority of corporate office (both HQ and satellite / regional office) development in the area from the 90's until today has exploded north of 635 from the Galleria Area straight up the tollway into Plano, Frisco, etc. It seems that DFW companies large and small prefer the campus approach to building a 75-85 story tower downtown, and I'm assuming housing quality improves the further north one gets from downtown.

This issue seems to be far less prevalent in Greater Houston.

Not anymore. Campuses and mid-rises are far more popular than downtown high rises by a long shot.