PHILADELPHIA | Lowrise/General Developments Thread II

[PurpleWhiteOut]

https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate...-20240404.html

Driscoll introduced a package of legislation Thursday that would offer an array of incentives to developers who want to build near public transit stations — with some provisions specifically targeting the Allegheny, Tioga, and Erie-Torresdale stops on the elevated train line.

He also expanded the controversial Mixed Income Neighborhoods (MIN) law, which requires that new developments of more than 10 housing units devote a fifth of their homes to below-market-rate homes. The overlay already covers the other side of the train line in Councilmember Quetcy Lozada’s district.
Another bill would broaden the definitions in the city’s existing transit improvement bonus and potentially allow developers to build taller and more densely close to the subway or elevated train stations.

The transit improvement bonus bill also further reduces the amount of parking that developers will need to build near transit, and if they are required to include affordable housing under the MIN law, they would not have to build any parking.

Hopefully the broad upzoning would to of apply to all stations, not just his district, but I can't tell from the wording. The BSL is still hugely underutilized. On the other hand, the MIN has not been working, so hopefully they can strike a working balance of incentives

[mcgrath618]

I'd be fine with this if everything that got built anymore wasn't complete shite. It's not just Philly; literally everywhere in America is suffering from shoddy construction at the moment.

[cardeza]

Originally Posted by PurpleWhiteOut

https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate...-20240404.html



Hopefully the broad upzoning would to of apply to all stations, not just his district, but I can't tell from the wording. The BSL is still hugely underutilized. On the other hand, the MIN has not been working, so hopefully they can strike a working balance of incentives

the article says some upzoning would be for anything near transit stop, but parts of the legislation are kensington specific.

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by ScreamShatter

Philly is an American hub without many Delta and United flights. When all three are in an airport, they have these pop-up deals available to attract fliers to try to get their flights full. When it’s just American, they don’t have to lower prices as frequently because they know the locals will just go there for convenience.

You’ll see this play out with routes where American is competing against Southwest or Frontier, where they may offer deals. Or American will simply start pushing more connection flyers through PHL to avoid competition fights with the low cost carriers.

On the other end of the scenario, most the international flights in phl are AA with no competition from other carriers. That’s where you look at Duelles and see both United and Delta flying to Cape Town so they offer special fares to compete against each other.

So yes, if you don’t look at other nearby airports, you could be paying much more to fly out of PHL and not realize it. But to be fair, it’s hard for people to research this to figure out as most people only look at prices on Expedia or the airline site. If you don’t have multiple points cards and logging in through coshare accounts, you won’t see most of the deals. It’s like an extreme couponing game when you get into finding the best deals…and they mostly aren’t out of Philly.

NY and DC also have THREE international airports each. So the carriers aren't just competing against the other carriers in the airport, but they're competing againt the other 2 airports.

NY: LaGuardia, JFK, Newark
DC: Dulles, Reagan, BWI

[blart]

4/5

Franklin Square PATCO station, 7th & Race-





4th & Race-

[DeltaNerd]

Originally Posted by Arch+Eng

Am I missing something? PHL doesnt seem constrained by land. Why couldnt they do something like this?

So PHL is going to do something PHL to that. PHL released a master plan a year ago and wants to redesign a lot of the East side of the airport. Basically the plan includes new terminals, one or two checking halls, less tsa checkpoints but will be larger space for security screenings, consolidated septa RR station, and a massive parking garage that houses the rental cars and Septa buses.
Terminal F needs to be torn down imo because regional flying is going to look different in the next 10-15 years. So might as well build it as a regular terminal.

Master Plan(documents): https://www.phl.org/masterplanupdate

There is also a cargo expansion program as well, so your proposal of terminal G and H doesn't work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4s7oIG3rS0

[DeltaNerd]

Originally Posted by cardeza

the article says some upzoning would be for anything near transit stop, but parts of the legislation are kensington specific.

All of the BSL would benefit from this. So would RR stations inside the city. Like Temple, Allegheny, Wayne Junction, Fern Rock etc... Regional Rail needs more passengers from inside the city as well.

[Knight Hospitaller]

^ Agree. Basically all of Broad and Market should be CMX-5, with some contextual exceptions.

[BroadandMarket]

Originally Posted by DeltaNerd

All of the BSL would benefit from this. So would RR stations inside the city. Like Temple, Allegheny, Wayne Junction, Fern Rock etc... Regional Rail needs more passengers from inside the city as well.

Opening a few new stations would do wonders too for low transit areas. There's already tracks for all of these areas but no station.

9th and Poplar
Brewerytown around 30th and Cecil
Zoo
Mann Center
52nd and Lancaster

For what it's worth, the Centennial Design district has proposed the last 3 stations. https://centennialdesignplan.com/

[yuryphilly]

New condo building next to Wash square is rising

[summersm343]

Reformation is coming to the now vacant Outdoor Voices spot on Walnut.

New Balance is moving to the old Ulta space.

[PurpleWhiteOut]

Originally Posted by yuryphilly

New condo building next to Wash square is rising

It looks different from the last renderings I remember, but it looks really good so far

[PHL10]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Reformation is coming to the now vacant Outdoor Voices spot on Walnut.

New Balance is moving to the old Ulta space.

Noice!

Edit: Even though NB is just a move, it's to a bigger space. The empty larger stores such as the former Gap and Ulta are especially obvious. Speaking of bigger spaces, I still find it bad that Center City currently has no sporting goods store. I know there aren't that many big chains left but maybe Dick's or Rally House would venture in. "Rally House, Rally House, it's your City.....without having any locations within the city itself....It's your Team, It's your Rally House!"

[PHLtoNYC]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Reformation is coming to the now vacant Outdoor Voices spot on Walnut.

New Balance is moving to the old Ulta space.

Reformation is a popular brand (women's), similar to Aritzia, great addition to Walnut.

Originally Posted by PurpleWhiteOut

It looks different from the last renderings I remember, but it looks really good so far

To think 20 years of fighting for a harmless 10-story/unit condo building. Looks nice though.

[Redddog]

Just walked Chestnut from Old City to Broad.

Man...there has to be 75% vacancy on the south side of Chestnut between 7th and Broad. It's crazy.

[PHLtoNYC]

Originally Posted by Redddog

Just walked Chestnut from Old City to Broad.

Man...there has to be 75% vacancy on the south side of Chestnut between 7th and Broad. It's crazy.

Inga opined on this in her new column (I know how much you all love her). She gives some blame at Jefferson.
https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate...-20240408.html

One a positive note, the guy behind all the restaurants on Chestnut is opening a high-end Mediterranean restaurant at 1308 Chestnut (former Lux Home space).
https://www.inquirer.com/food/restau...S8pwP2C60fIKPv

[Redddog]

Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

Inga opined on this in her new column (I know how much you all love her). She gives some blame at Jefferson.
https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate...-20240408.html

One a positive note, the guy behind all the restaurants on Chestnut is opening a high-end Mediterranean restaurant at 1308 Chestnut (former Lux Home space).
https://www.inquirer.com/food/restau...S8pwP2C60fIKPv

Yeah, Jefferson has definitely created a dead zone between 11th and 8th (as per Inga) but even including those properties as "not vacant," it's still a really bad stretch.

Glad to hear about the Mediterranean place. That's good news.

[mcgrath618]

Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

Inga opined on this in her new column (I know how much you all love her). She gives some blame at Jefferson.
https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate...-20240408.html

One a positive note, the guy behind all the restaurants on Chestnut is opening a high-end Mediterranean restaurant at 1308 Chestnut (former Lux Home space).
https://www.inquirer.com/food/restau...S8pwP2C60fIKPv

Inga is right about 33% of the time. This is in that 33%.

[thoughtcriminal]

Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

Inga opined on this in her new column (I know how much you all love her). She gives some blame at Jefferson.
https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate...-20240408.html

she would have so much more credibility if she didn't have such contempt for Philadelphia. Some things deserve criticism, obviously, but I'm convinced that she just hates Philadelphia and everything about it.

[PurpleWhiteOut]

Originally Posted by thoughtcriminal

she would have so much more credibility if she didn't have such contempt for Philadelphia. Some things deserve criticism, obviously, but I'm convinced that she just hates Philadelphia and everything about it.

This is a well balanced article and imo fair and spot on. I used to spend a lot of time around here and Jefferson is absolutely primarily to blame for the institutional black hole in what should be a retail strip. We should criticize bad planning when we see it