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Edmonton: City will have veto in regional decisions

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Board would need 'super majority' of 17 out of 25 municipalities
Jeff Holubitsky, The Edmonton Journal
Published: 7:59 am


EDMONTON - Edmonton will get a veto over its neighbours in regional decisions, says a leaked provincial report obtained by The Journal.

The recommended voting power on a proposed Capital Region super board is expected to be the most contentious issue in the report written by consultant Doug Radke. Even with its veto, the city must still win the approval of 16 other communities to go ahead with its own proposals before the board, the report recommends.

"The voting structure will be a super majority, which is 17 municipalities -- which must include Edmonton -- of the 25," St. Albert Mayor Nolan Crouse said of the plan.

"So you could have a 24-to-one vote to adopt an initiative, but if Edmonton is the one, the vote fails."

The province briefed the 22 mayors and other officials of the 24 communities that form the Alberta Capital Region Alliance at a four-hour meeting Friday morning.

Representatives from two smaller communities were absent.

"It came across as highly sensitive and its schedule is very tight ... to have the model in place before a provincial election," Crouse said. He added the mayors were told the premier will announce before Jan. 31 which recommendations of the Radke report he would accept.

Edmonton stopped attending capital region alliance meetings two years ago. Mayor Stephen Mandel was not at the Friday meeting. His office said he would not comment on the report until he meets Monday with city council.

Crouse said Mandel's absence Friday was a concern. "Edmonton needs to be at the table in all of this."

Premier Ed Stelmach's spokesman Tom Olsen said the report will be released Dec. 14, the same day the premier meets with regional political leaders to get feedback. The province's response will be given Dec. 18.

The report, called Working Together, was ordered by Stelmach to solve ongoing problems in the capital region caused by massive growth. It looks at a range of issues including water, sewage, garbage, airports, housing, health care, social services, emergency services, policing, education and recreation.

"For St. Albert to move forward on an initiative, we have to make sure Edmonton is on board," Crouse said. "But it also really means Edmonton has veto power over any municipality."

The reports states that two-thirds, or 17 of the 25 municipalities in the region, have to agree before a motion can be passed. The report also recommends the voting structure must recognize the principle of representation by population. Edmonton has about 71 per cent of the people in the region.

"Edmonton is the predominant player in the region when it comes to many services, especially social services, and deserves to have a substantial voice in the determination of what happens in the region," the report states.

Crouse said that St. Albert, the third largest municipality in the group with about 60,000 people representing about 5.5 per cent of the region's population, would have enough power to influence, but not control votes. This could theoretically make the community a tie-breaker, for example, if other communities such as Strathcona County and Edmonton appeared to be at loggerheads.

"There's an old saying that if you are always on the side of the majority then maybe you are wrong," Crouse said. "There's a certain amount of good that will come from a 17-to-eight vote because it forces you to be really sharp on issues."

And while the idea of revenue-sharing from the huge upgrader projects in Sturgeon and Strathcona County has also caused controversy, Crouse said the mayors were told the report was against it. "It is recommended not to be considered," he said.

He also said the mayors were told the cost of operating the board for its first three years would be picked up by the province, as the communities find ways to fund their projects.

"Edmonton not being at the meeting is this continual indication they are not wanting to work with the process, but also at the end are receiving this ability to veto," Crouse said. "That was a specific concern with people expressed several times."

Strathcona County Mayor Cathy Olesen could not be reached for comment.

jholubitsky@thejournal.canwest.com

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Go to online extras at edmontonjournal.com to read the full 94-page Working Together report, detailing recommendations for regional government.


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Old Posted Dec 8, 2007, 10:25 PM
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No shit eh? Shes probably crying herself to sleep...

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Old Posted Dec 8, 2007, 10:26 PM
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Its a good news week here in Edmonton for sure!

new tower, new regional deal, etc etc.,.. next week arena!
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Yes, this is good news. The fact remains that the majority of the region is in favor of this regional plan, I believe the County is the only one vehemently against it.
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this needs to get worked on (solved) NOW....
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this needs to get worked on (solved) NOW....
Stelmach will likely rue the day he puts this forward. The legislature will not be sitting for any length until next fall (due to the election) so there is alot of time for this to be dropped.

I will be very surprised if this goes forward anymore than it has as of now.
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Stelmach will likely rue the day he puts this forward. The legislature will not be sitting for any length until next fall (due to the election) so there is alot of time for this to be dropped.

I will be very surprised if this goes forward anymore than it has as of now.
I like the super majority concept but giving Edmonton Quebec-like powers is crazy. Stelmach is really starting to show that he doesn't care much about democracy. I wonder if he'll be around after next spring. Don't the PCs have a leadership convention every spring? I seriously doubt he has majority support from his own party and we know he doesn't from the electorate at large.
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Pfft... Watever, you two.

Edmonton deserves a majority voice in what happens in the Metro, and it's time for Strathcona County & others to pull their own weight.
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Pfft... Watever, you two.

Edmonton deserves a majority voice in what happens in the Metro, and it's time for Strathcona County & others to pull their own weight.
I thought they did and that's why Edmonton would love to steal their tax base. I would give Edmonton a veto because of their population but a super majority should be able to override that veto. Same concept as with the President being able to veto legislation but Congress can override his veto.
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Excellent news, Edmonton needs both the veto and the supermajority to take control of these exurban leeches.
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@ Corndogger

They don't. Edmontons' services get used by people in other municipalities yet they don't pay for them, and Edmonton bears a massively disproportionate amout of the social problems in the Metro. Transit needs to be improved and the municipalities need to contribute. Most poeple in outlying areas make their money in the city, then take it out to other municipalities. That's a big problem and its' just the tip of the iceberg....
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They don't. Edmontons' services get used by people in other municipalities yet they don't pay for them, and Edmonton bears a massively disproportionate amout of the social problems in the Metro. Transit needs to be improved and the municipalities need to contribute. Most poeple in outlying areas make their money in the city, then take it out to other municipalities. That's a big problem and its' just the tip of the iceberg....
I think Edmonton will eventually come out against this report.

Needing 2/3rds support to build a project is untenable.

When Edmonton wants to build an LRT line that goes from Edmonton, to Edmonton via Edmonton wouldn't the surrounding communities vote against to force a project that is more regional in scope?
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But the next few phases of the LRT involve heading in the direction of the municipalities.

People make a choice to live way out in the `burbs. They need to accept they`re probably not going to get all the city ammenities if they choose to live that far out.

Besides, that`s only one issue. Edmontonians wil be overwhelmingly in favor of this.
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I think Edmonton will eventually come out against this report.

Needing 2/3rds support to build a project is untenable.

When Edmonton wants to build an LRT line that goes from Edmonton, to Edmonton via Edmonton wouldn't the surrounding communities vote against to force a project that is more regional in scope?
That's a big question. Just how far can another municipality pry into internal issues?

However, in the real world, this gives Edmonton supreme dominance. As long as Edmonton holds the veto, the other municipalities HAVE TO go along with it if they expect to get any of their own proposals passed.
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That's a big question. Just how far can another municipality pry into internal issues?

However, in the real world, this gives Edmonton supreme dominance. As long as Edmonton holds the veto, the other municipalities HAVE TO go along with it if they expect to get any of their own proposals passed.
If Edmonton kept vetoing everything to get its way, how long do you think it would take for the province to dismantle this system?

Think about the political realities people.
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You're assuming that Edmonton is going to be unwillling to deal. Right now, it's Strathcona that is causing the biggest headaches.

The political reality is that Edmonton has many times the number of people as SC or St Albert do. Who would you want to please ?
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Depends on who is seen as the good guy or bad guy, and whether or not the municipalities play along. Edmonton is bigger than the rest of these guys put together, WAY more voters. And like 240 just mentioned, there's going to be times where Edmonton will compromise.
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If Edmonton kept vetoing everything to get its way, how long do you think it would take for the province to dismantle this system?

Think about the political realities people.
I agree with your assessment. The PCs best chance for winning seats in the next election is in the areas outside of Edmonton. Klein tried buying votes many times in Edmonton and it didn't work so what makes Stelmach think this will.

Also, if you read the story carefully it is clear that Edmonton has no intention of playing nice. They couldn't even be bothered to show up to the meeting where this was discussed. Taking away the ability of approximatley 300,000 people to influence how their cities and counties operate is not a smart move in my books. But given the nature of this forum I can see why many here support the move.
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I agree with your assessment. The PCs best chance for winning seats in the next election is in the areas outside of Edmonton. Klein tried buying votes many times in Edmonton and it didn't work so what makes Stelmach think this will.

Also, if you read the story carefully it is clear that Edmonton has no intention of playing nice. They couldn't even be bothered to show up to the meeting where this was discussed. Taking away the ability of approximatley 300,000 people to influence how their cities and counties operate is not a smart move in my books. But given the nature of this forum I can see why many here support the move.
I know why many support the move, and I do aswell. It would be smarter just to have an entirely new super board that is rep by pop that can overrule local councils. eventually the local councils will shrink from influence.

That being said this is a bad move for Stelmach. Especially with the attacks on land owners rights already in Bill 46 now an attack on the local nature of government with this?

Stelmach is also doing this without a mandate from the people, which is the most scary part.
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I know why many support the move, and I do aswell. It would be smarter just to have an entirely new super board that is rep by pop that can overrule local councils. eventually the local councils will shrink from influence.
Then why not just amalgamate already?

This deal is either partially pregnant, or pregnant but living together...just get married al-freaking-ready.
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