NEW YORK | Hudson Yards Phase 2 | 1,366 - 1,189 - 1,172 FT | 80/80/74 FLOORS

[jackster99]

Stunning. Other than 175 Park Avenue, this is my favorite proposal out there now. Really hope Wynn gets this, because if the resort in Vegas is any indication, they don't do anything but ultra high end.

[TowerDude]

It shouldn't be a Casino ... and Gehry shouldn't be allowed to even visit NY let alone design buildings for the city.

[BanBrokenChatBots]

Originally Posted by TowerDude

It shouldn't be a Casino ... and Gehry shouldn't be allowed to even visit NY let alone design buildings for the city.

Highly doubt they're going to put a casino next to a school, Coney Island or the proposal in Queens is much better suited for a casino which as most people know brings the lower portion of society of debauchery... Also put a giant Ferris 🎡 Wheel in Coney Island

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by ChiND

This looks incredible. I hope that Ross/Wynn prevail. I also hope that this project will include Wynn’s signature water features.

They were reported to have that in an article in the Times a while ago, but who knows.

Originally Posted by jackster99

Stunning. Other than 175 Park Avenue, this is my favorite proposal out there now. Really hope Wynn gets this, because if the resort in Vegas is any indication, they don't do anything but ultra high end.

That’s what they’ve been saying.

“As the leading designer, developer, and operator of premium gaming resorts in the world, Wynn New York City will attract luxury and aspirational travelers to our destination resort in Hudson Yards,” Craig Billings, CEO of Wynn Resorts, said in a statement.

“Wynn guests consistently spend more when they travel. That results in greater tax revenues for the City and State and more spend in the local community, all with less foot traffic than might be required at other resorts.”

https://www.playny.com/proposed-wynn...fits-to-state/

[ChiND]

Originally Posted by NYguy

They were reported to have that in an article in the Times a while ago, but who knows.




That’s what they’ve been saying.

I recall reading that, but they’re not visible in the renderings. I wonder if water features are not viable over the rail lines.

[TREPYE]

Originally Posted by NYguy

https://nypost.com/2024/03/13/us-new...asino-complex/


Promising renderings, BUT, I do not trust Related Companies...

In HY Phase 1 Related totally did a bait-and-switch on the tower designs.... In the competition for developing HY they fronted with having a proposal with several towers that had different textures and designs (and not just glass facades), but they ended up building a mass of glass constructs that by in large comes off grossly untextured and monolithic.

If they are going to do Phase 2 they have to be beholden contractually to not expand the glass blob they erected in Phase 1.

[TonyNYC]

Originally Posted by jackster99

Stunning. Other than 175 Park Avenue, this is my favorite proposal out there now. Really hope Wynn gets this, because if the resort in Vegas is any indication, they don't do anything but ultra high end.

HELL YEAH!!! This is a done deal for me.. Always thought it was the best location for the NYC casino.. and these plans are AWESOME!

30 Hudson could not be the main focal point of the Hudson Yards.. way too blah and short. The one thing I'd like to see is the Wynn Tower another 200 feet taller!

I know.. I know.. I'm getting supertall greedy!! LOL!

[jayden]

Looks great.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by TREPYE

https://nypost.com/2024/03/13/us-new...asino-complex/

In HY Phase 1 Related totally did a bait-and-switch on the tower designs.... In the competition for developing HY they fronted with having a proposal with several towers that had different textures and designs (and not just glass facades), but they ended up building a mass of glass constructs that by in large comes off grossly untextured and monolithic.

If they are going to do Phase 2 they have to be beholden contractually to not expand the glass blob they erected in Phase 1.

Not a bait-and-switch at all. You may not remember what the original planned towers looked like, but what we actually got is far superior, trust me. Of course, these designs will be refined more, that’s to be expected. We watched that play out in the last phase, really in most proposals.

Related had already had a few alterarions to the designated site plans.

[Zapatan]

My one beef is that they look a little shorter than expected. At that angle you'd expect a near 1,400 footer to tower over 30HY.

While they may not be signature towers height wise, they are tall and gorgeous.

[NYguy]

There have been a lot of changes over time. But this is the rendering of the site plan that Related won with. (They actually are the runner up, but that’s another story).





But after some changes were approved, they were moving forward with this version…






A change of heart (and design) got us here…






A design refined further still….










Some early designs which featured phase 2…















Closest we ever got to seeing any actual designs is a feature at the Edge…

[SkyHigher]

+Make them taller

[NYguy]

Who knows who they have now, but these were some of the names mentioned involved with phase 2…


https://www.architecturaldigest.com/...a-hudson-yards

Frank Gehry, Santiago Calatrava, Robert A.M. Stern, and Heatherwick Studio Reported to Work on Phase Two of Hudson Yards


By Tim Nelson
February 22, 2018

According to “a person familiar with the matter” who spoke to The Wall Street Journal, Related Cos. and Oxford Properties Group have tapped Los Angeles–based starchitect Frank Gehry and Oculus designer Santiago Calatrava to contribute to the project. They’ll help handle the development of the Western Yard, which includes 4 million square feet of residential space and 2 million square feet of office space near the northern terminus of the High Line (which, awkwardly enough, Gehry once derided as “a rusty rail bridge and they put some plants on it”).

….. Calatrava and Gehry would be working on the site's Western Yards, the second phase of the site that will be built upon a platform covering the train tracks at the edge of the Hudson. A New Yorker article published this week also leaked additional buildings by Robert A. M. Stern—who once quipped of the project, "What is there to smile about?"— and Heatherwick Studio.

[TREPYE]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Not a bait-and-switch at all. You may not remember what the original planned towers looked like, but what we actually got is far superior, trust me. Of course, these designs will be refined more, that’s to be expected. We watched that play out in the last phase, really in most proposals.

Related had already had a few alterarions to the designated site plans.

I remember very well this selling point because I was looking forward to see what they came up with, and being very disappointed with what they ended up putting up:

https://www.architecturalrecord.com/...ards-discussed

For Kohn Pedersen Fox, Arquitectonica, Robert A.M. Stern, and West 8, which collaborated on the proposal from the Related Companies and Goldman Sachs, the project is all about variety. “What we’re really talking about is trying to make a neighborhood for people to live and work in,” Stern said. “A New York neighborhood which is diverse in its functions, diverse in its architecture, diverse in its typologies, and one that can grow incrementally and change over time as the project goes forward, even after completion.” Hoping to reflect existing Manhattan city blocks more than a singular, super-sized development, the proposal calls for buildings of varying heights, styles, and materials, from bricks and mortar to glass.

"Variety".... not quite.

[mrnyc]

well, as expected this is most certainly the diva of the casino proposals.

aside from the obvious of getting the yards built out, what i like best is that the casino entrance is so dam classy you can't even tell its a casino.

[DCReid]

I don't think the Related design is at fault. But I think the three added boxy towers, although they have been very successful, detract from the overall site. I don't mind the Spiral but the 50 Hudson and 15 Hudson with the Spiral seem to create a boring wall similar to the downtown office boxes that they built along the waterfront in the 60s/70s.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by TREPYE

I remember very well this selling point because I was looking forward to see what they came up with, and being very disappointed with what they ended up putting up:

https://www.architecturalrecord.com/...ards-discussed

I think from their point of view, and from mine as well actually, there is a variety. From 35, to 50, to 30, I would say it's a variety. Is there too much blue glass? With the added towers around it, yes. I don't like the massing of 50, but that's another issue.

Originally Posted by mrnyc

aside from the obvious of getting the yards built out, what i like best is that the casino entrance is so dam classy you can't even tell its a casino.

That's my conclusion of the podium as well.

Originally Posted by DCReid

I don't think the Related design is at fault. But I think the three added boxy towers, although they have been very successful, detract from the overall site. I don't mind the Spiral but the 50 Hudson and 15 Hudson with the Spiral seem to create a boring wall similar to the downtown office boxes that they built along the waterfront in the 60s/70s.

Unfortunately, the boxy towers are what sell, and part of the reason they are leased out. The City Planning zoning was also specifically aligned for those large floorplate boxes, you would be hard to build anything with floorplates as large in most of Midtown. Even the mall space vacated by Neiman Marcus is now being eaten up by Wells Fargo. It's why Related has more confidence in office over the residential, which hasn't done as well as expected.


https://newsroom.wf.com/English/news...-/default.aspx

[NYguy]

Manhattan CB4 had it's initial presentation from Related, and it went about as well as you would expect. But it doesn't matter, City Planning will approve the change in site plan. It's the state process that will be the heavyweight fight, and multiple meetings will be had with the community boards again.


Anyway, at about the 1 hour 20 min mark, they get into it. The audio is difficult, especially with people screaming over each other. No new renderings, but a bit more information. Some screenshots below so you don't have to listen to the noise...



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3. Looks like "One Hudson" for the residential building and "40 Hudson" for the office building. These numbers are all over the place.








4. Comparison with the previously approved site plan.






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7. You can see here the slope of 33rd Street toward the river. The rails are at street level on the western end.







8. And here's what was described in the draft, bringing 33rd up to grade along it's length, but keeping the original grade at the western end for access.






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[TK2001]

Hudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

Hudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

Hudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

Hudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

Hudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

Hudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

Hudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

Hudson Yards Phase 2 massing by Philly SkyGuy, on Flickr

[UrbanImpact]

Originally Posted by NYguy

At any rate, it doesn't matter who is designing these towers, as long as they look as gorgeous as they do in the renderings.


https://www.playny.com/proposed-wynn...fits-to-state/





Probably the best design (we can really on see two of the towers) would be the residential building.

It's resembles Tower 42 in London:
Tower 42, London by Iain McLauchlan, on Flickr