Canadian LRT/RT projects U/C - Page 122

Nouvellecosse · #**2421** Posted **Oct 21, 2021, 11:21 PM**

My understanding is that they didn't terminate the line in the rail corridor to facilitate transfers between the subway and RH GO line but rather to emerge the subway and save money by building a station of stations on the surface, and to consolidate the transit hub so that a single regional hub could serve Viva, GO buses, GO trains and the subway rather than having two stops that are close but not a convenient transfer. So the same stop could serve people transferring from bus to GO train or from bus to subway. Honestly it wouldn't make any sense that I can think of for anyone to transfer between the subway and GO train. Maybe a few edge cases of people working at Yonge-Eglinton or somewhere else outside downtown and living within convenient driving distance to Bloomingdon or Gormley GO or and using the park and ride.

J.OT13 · #**2422** Posted **Oct 25, 2021, 5:12 PM**

Stage 2 Ottawa update, Sherbourne to Lincoln Fields:

https://mailchi.mp/11507935e617/90-d...1?e=f37f60b514

Excavation of Byron Linear Park (former tramway RoW) near the future Sherbourne Station.

https://otrain.railfans.ca/line-1-stations/sherbourne

Excavation of Byron Linear Park (former tramway RoW) near the future New Orchard Station.

https://otrain.railfans.ca/line-1-stations/new-orchard

Progress at Lincoln Fields Station. Complete rebuild of the long existing Transitway station, which has always been, and will remain, a major bus interchange for the urban west end. The new rail station will be the transfer between outbound Lines 1 and 3 and feature three tracks, two platforms, retail and washrooms.

https://otrain.railfans.ca/transfer-...lincoln-fields

Coldrsx · #**2423** Posted **Oct 28, 2021, 6:30 AM**

Love those shots and progress!

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Here in Edmonton the West Valley Line is happening- first WEM caisson!

https://twitter.com/MarigoldTransit/...534%2Fpage-163

https://cdn.skyrisecities.com/sites/...633-114673.png

Coldrsx · #**2424** Posted **Oct 30, 2021, 3:33 PM**

Valley Line SE by Kaizen on SRC

https://edmonton.skyrisecities.com/f...24534/page-164

craner · #**2425** Posted **Oct 30, 2021, 7:18 PM**

^Nice job Ott. & Edm.
I just don’t like the downtown surface running portion in Edm. And I’m not a fan of low-floor either - but looking good regardless.

J.OT13 · #**2426** Posted **Nov 1, 2021, 1:06 PM**

Davies Station is something else! Is the concourse are heated/cooled? Always wondered the something about other Edmonton and Calgary LRT stations with large, enclosed concourse areas.

J.OT13 · #**2427** Posted **Nov 3, 2021, 2:03 PM**

O-Train Line 1 (and 3) west extension.

Another shot of Lincoln Fields, with what's left of the old station on the left.

Connaught tunnel prep-work, just west of Lincoln Fields.

Pinecrest trench construction.

https://mailchi.mp/4cd511975cd4/linc...d?e=f37f60b514

DKaz · #**2428** Posted **Nov 3, 2021, 6:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

Davies Station is something else! Is the concourse are heated/cooled? Always wondered the something about other Edmonton and Calgary LRT stations with large, enclosed concourse areas.

There are warm waiting areas with departure boards and audible announcements so people can make their way to the platform when the train arrives. The waiting area for Davies and some other stations are on separate levels though so there's a small risk that people don't make it to the platform on time if they wait for the audible announcement to head to the platform.

J.OT13 · #**2429** Posted **Nov 4, 2021, 1:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by DKaz

There are warm waiting areas with departure boards and audible announcements so people can make their way to the platform when the train arrives. The waiting area for Davies and some other stations are on separate levels though so there's a small risk that people don't make it to the platform on time if they wait for the audible announcement to head to the platform.

I imagine the lower level concourse will be used more by people waiting on buses, and not the train. I wish Ottawa would have built fully enclosed waiting areas at Hurdman and other high volume transfer stations.

J.OT13 · #**2430** Posted **Nov 4, 2021, 1:59 PM**

Some Trillium Line Stations, from O-Train Fans.

Corso Italia, a new urban infill station.

https://otrain.railfans.ca/snapshot-...ctober-23-2021

Dow's Lake. Lengthening the platform and new double elevators.

https://otrain.railfans.ca/snapshot-...tation-october

Walkley, a new inner-city suburban station.

https://otrain.railfans.ca/snapshot-...ctober-22-2021

Carleton Station, the busiest station on Trillium Line serving Carleton University.

https://otrain.railfans.ca/snapshot-...tion-october-1

J.OT13 · #**2431** Posted **Nov 4, 2021, 3:51 PM**

Progress along Confederation Line east, from the City's October Construction Update.

https://mailchi.mp/91edd699a355/o-tr...e?e=f37f60b514

Montreal Road Station.

Place d'Orléans Station.

Progress along the RoW towards Place d'Orléans Station.

craner · #**2432** Posted **Nov 4, 2021, 7:09 PM**

Great Ottawa updates !

Some news regarding Toronto Subway projects in this article:
http://https://apple.news/Ayai8b1FaTp27zaTPF0mr0A

J.OT13 · #**2433** Posted **Nov 5, 2021, 1:29 PM**

Another new City of Ottawa update, Algonquin Station, the fifth and final (of the forecasted transit projects) underground station on Ottawa's O-Train.

https://mailchi.mp/f8e727ac0384/o-tr...9?e=f37f60b514

swimmer_spe · #**2434** Posted **Nov 6, 2021, 4:07 AM**

With the problems plaguing the Confederation line, I have been wondering if other systems had the same "teething" issues, or is this an anomaly?
You don't hear stuff like this from any other Canadian city.

J.OT13 · #**2435** Posted **Nov 8, 2021, 2:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

With the problems plaguing the Confederation line, I have been wondering if other systems had the same "teething" issues, or is this an anomaly?
You don't hear stuff like this from any other Canadian city.

Montreal had some issues with the Azure trains when they came into service. Same with the Toronto Rockets and the new streetcars. And KW's Ion Flexity Freedoms.

That said, based on recent derailments and subsequent investigations, it seems the issues with Ottawa's system are due to poor maintenance practices and not the vehicles themselves (though they also had issues, but have mostly been resolved).

Nite · #**2436** Posted **Nov 8, 2021, 3:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

With the problems plaguing the Confederation line, I have been wondering if other systems had the same "teething" issues, or is this an anomaly?
You don't hear stuff like this from any other Canadian city.

Ottawa picked the wrong trains for their system is the issue.
They are running a low-flow tram on a line they want to operate as a light metro, the problem with low-floor is that they have less capacity and less doors compared to a high-floor train.

1) low-floor trains are more complicated which leads to more maintenance,
2) trains have to wait longer in the stations for boarding because of fewer doors.
3) Trains have to run faster to compensate for the longer boarding times which cause more wear and tear.

Choosing a high-floor vehicle could have avoided all the issues Ottawa is having.
As long as other systems choose the right trains for their service they wouldn't have the problems ottawa is having

biguc · #**2437** Posted **Nov 8, 2021, 5:10 PM**

How does that make trains derail though?

O-tacular · #**2438** Posted **Nov 8, 2021, 5:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nite

Ottawa picked the wrong trains for their system is the issue.
They are running a low-flow tram on a line they want to operate as a light metro, the problem with low-floor is that they have less capacity and less doors compared to a high-floor train.

1) low-floor trains are more complicated which leads to more maintenance,
2) trains have to wait longer in the stations for boarding because of fewer doors.
3) Trains have to run faster to compensate for the longer boarding times which cause more wear and tear.

Choosing a high-floor vehicle could have avoided all the issues Ottawa is having.
As long as other systems choose the right trains for their service they wouldn't have the problems ottawa is having

Calgary has also chosen a low floor train for the new Greenline. The rationale was the stations were cheaper to build and more accessible. Also the urbanists wanted one that would interact better with the street. Problem is the Greenline is going to have a subway component and has very few areas where it will actively engage with the street. Also, it won't be able to draw trains from the other lines so the Greenline will need to be completely self reliant. I'm beyond caring at this point and just want to see anything get built.

J.OT13 · #**2439** Posted **Nov 8, 2021, 6:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by biguc

How does that make trains derail though?

The derailments are caused by poor maintenance. For example the one in September, bolts that weren't torqued resulted in a gearbox falling out.

Low-floor trams are harder to maintain by nature. Add the stress of running trains designed for street operation as a metro service, that increases wear and tear. Top that off with a disorganized group of inexperienced, poorly trained workers, and it's a recipe for... derailments.

So low-floors isn't necessarily the cause, but it's a factor for sure. With a proper maintenance regime, we could run the trains smoothly with few issues, but our system will still be less efficient both in passenger flow and long-term maintenance because they are low-floor used on a medium-capacity metro system.

J.OT13 · #**2440** Posted **Nov 8, 2021, 9:24 PM**

A few pics from yet another Stage 2 update from the City of Ottawa.

Current Dominion Transitway "Station" (glorified bus stop), near the future Kìchì Sìbì O-Train Station.

Where the Parkway tunnel turns before going under Richmond (off screen to the right) to continue under Byron Park.

Future Sherbourne Station taking shape, one of two open air trench stations within the Byron tunnel, closing a 40 year transit gap, within what was ironically a tramway line.

https://mailchi.mp/0b2db98211cf/linc...d?e=f37f60b514