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[CRExpert]

Just found these new Hudson Spire renderings...

http://bronxrealreport.com/2014/02/0...ings-released/

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by CRExpert

Just found these new Hudson Spire renderings...

http://bronxrealreport.com/2014/02/0...ings-released/

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I've added some of the developments around Related's projects to their site plan, including what could be the Hudson Spire, or whatever ultimately gets built on that site.

[NYguy]

The plan was for about 108 stories, now for about 110 according to this press release. Take it for what it's worth.


http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/02/prweb11578927.htm

MJM + A Architects Unveil Design for Hudson Spire –The Tallest Building in North America
1,800 foot multi-use luxury commercial and residential tower will be an integral part of NYC’s Hudson Yards Development.


February 17, 2014

MJM + A Architects PLLC, an award-winning Manhattan-based architectural practice, recently unveiled their plans for the construction of Hudson Spire, a 110 story, 1,800 foot tall tower that would become the tallest building in North America.

Michael J. Macaluso, Principal and Founder of MJM + A Architects, was retained by the property owners and their exclusive real estate broker Massey Knakal to come up with a grand design for the building. “This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that architects dream of,” says Macaluso. “When the senior executives of Massey Knakal, James Nelson and Bob Knakal, and Anthony Volpe of the Rosenthal Group first laid out for us the challenge of creating an 1,800 foot high mixed-use tower for Hudson Yards, we were both thrilled and inspired. As architects, our job is to interpret the dreams of others. The creative geniuses of our design studio, led by my partner Keith Lucas, came up with a stunning vision of a vibrant glass structure that literally jumps from its bases and soars to the stars.”

Hudson Spire is slated to have 110 stories, offering a unique combination of commercial and residential space. Floors one through five will host upscale restaurants and retailers, on top of which will be 15 stories of office space. Floors 21through 85 are designated for three separate high-end hotel properties, each with approximately 200 guest rooms, lavish amenities, and event/conference space. The top 25 floors will be luxury residences, with one or two units per floor, concierge service, private elevators, glass walls on all four sides, and stunning views that extend from the Statue of Liberty to the George Washington Bridge and beyond.

Design-wise, Hudson Spire follows the “super tall / super thin” strategy of other recent luxury high rise residences, mandated by the space, cost and zoning realities of Manhattan property.

Starting at a base width of approximately 100 feet, the edifice will be physically set back as it rises, tapering to just 75 feet in width at the top floors. The structural challenges of high winds and complex elevator requirements are solved with a hybrid reinforced concrete and steel frame, encased by alternating reflective and non-reflective high powered glass.

“There’s not a lot of façade to work with,” says Keith M. Lucas, Partner and Project Designer for MJM + A Architects, “so we wanted to make it visually interesting. We decided, rather than go with a typical singular surface, let’s do something different and more dynamic. Let’s vary the composition of the glass color and reflective property, with lots of intersecting angles that play off one another, so that sunsets and city views will look different on one face of the building than on the others.”

At 1,800 feet, Hudson Spire will be even taller than the recently-constructed Freedom Tower at the World Trade Center. “Since 9/11, the city has gone through a long healing process. The owners of the property want to create a building that looks forward, not back, that will uplift the city but is unrelated to 9/11,” says Macaluso.

“Hudson Spire reflects the dawn of a new age, emphasizing the global character of New York City as a business hub, a tourist destination, and the many foreign residents who now call it home. Hudson Spire will be a welcome addition to the Manhattan skyline, and to the spirit of the city itself.”

[chris08876]

Very nice. I'm liking the optimism that the developers have. Moving Forward!

I think we need a title change; floors and height.

[Sky88]

The spire is not be considered to calculate the height of the tower?

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Sky88

The spire is not be considered to calculate the height of the tower?

Not if it isn't structural, no.

Example- 4 Times Square is 1,143 ft. but the spire isn't considered structural, so doesn't count.

[Submariner]

Honestly, I think it's too thin.

432 Park, IMO is about as thin as a tower can get without it looking strange. The only reason why 111w slightly gets away with it is because of how great the design is otherwise. But I can't help but think that a tower that is 100 feet at the base and only 75 feet at the top won't have good proportions, but that's just me.

Either way, it's good to see developers are so bullish about this area of town and regardless of what rises here, HU and the surrounding area is sure to be spectacular.

[King DenCity]

This is a very exciting prospect for sure, I just wish we would get some more confirmed action.

[M. Incandenza]

Welp, looks like yet another mediocre deconstructivist design. But maybe the details will reveal it to be a bit nicer than that, and lots of time for the design to change...

[NYguy]

It's a design for the concept.


http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/02/prweb11578927.htm

Michael J. Macaluso, Principal and Founder of MJM + A Architects, was retained by the property owners and their exclusive real estate broker Massey Knakal to come up with a grand design for the building. “

-Hudson Spire is slated to have 110 stories, offering a unique combination of commercial and residential space.

-Floors one through five will host upscale restaurants and retailers, on top of which will be 15 stories of office space. Floors 21 through 85 are designated for three separate high-end hotel properties, each with approximately 200 guest rooms, lavish amenities, and event/conference space.

-The top 25 floors will be luxury residences, with one or two units per floor, concierge service, private elevators, glass walls on all four sides, and stunning views that extend from the Statue of Liberty to the George Washington Bridge and beyond.

Design-wise, Hudson Spire follows the “super tall / super thin” strategy of other recent luxury high rise residences, mandated by the space, cost and zoning realities of Manhattan property.

Starting at a base width of approximately 100 feet, the edifice will be physically set back as it rises, tapering to just 75 feet in width at the top floors.

At 1,800 feet, Hudson Spire will be even taller than the recently-constructed Freedom Tower at the World Trade Center. “Since 9/11, the city has gone through a long healing process. The owners of the property want to create a building that looks forward, not back, that will uplift the city but is unrelated to 9/11,” says Macaluso.

I don't know, maybe they're trying to do some type of Harry Macklowe/CIM type deal, where Macklowe stayed on as a partner.



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/re...line.html?_r=0

.....who will be able to claim credit for the slender structure being designed by the Uruguayan-born architect Rafael Viñoly?

Will it be Harry B. Macklowe, the legendary developer who has survived a roller-coaster career of highs and lows? Or the CIM Group, the Los Angeles-based real estate investment company that acquired the land, on the site of the old Drake Hotel, after Mr. Macklowe defaulted on his loan in 2007?

Both are listed in the tower’s offering plan. While some real estate executives in New York are embracing a familiar narrative for the famously risk-loving Mr. Macklowe for staging yet another comeback, just how involved he will be in the building’s development — and eventual profits — remains a mystery to outsiders.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...39543415136636

......CIM Group last year snapped up a prized Park Avenue development site in Midtown Manhattan for $305 million, well below the land's value during the boom years. Developers have considered it one of the most attractive sites in the world because of its location at the heart of New York City.

The firm and its partner, New York developer Harry Macklowe, have been quiet about their intentions. But plans show a more than 1,300-foot tall, slender condo and retail complex designed by Rafael Vinoly, the Uruguayan-born architect best known in New York for designing Jazz at Lincoln Center inside Time Warner Center.

I still believe a foreign investor will be involved in the development.

[Zapatan]

um... yes please, build it now

[M. Incandenza]

Originally Posted by NYguy

It's a design for the concept.

Oh - do you mean it's just like a "here's how tall it'd be" kind of a thing? That's cool, then.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by M. Incandenza

Oh - do you mean it's just like a "here's how tall it'd be" kind of a thing? That's cool, then.

Somwhat, it's designed using the criteria described above. It will be mostly hotel space, which is what Sherwood Equities was considering at one time. If they follow through with the plan, it will no doubt change.

It's already changed from the initial plan of floors 6 - 79 being hotel space (its now 21 - 85).

[babybackribs2314]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Somwhat, it's designed using the criteria described above. It will be mostly hotel space, which is what Sherwood Equities was considering at one time. If they follow through with the plan, it will no doubt change.

It's already changed from the initial plan of floors 6 - 79 being hotel space (its now 21 - 85).

There is no real plan, so there haven't actually been any changes; it is all marketing mumbo-jumbo.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by babybackribs2314

There is no real plan, so there haven't actually been any changes; it is all marketing mumbo-jumbo.

I don't know what you are talking about, but there have been changes, you can clearly read it. Whether or not you think it is something that will ultimately get built, that's a different issue. So yes, changes have been made, and will continue to be made no doubt.

[sbarn]

Originally Posted by babybackribs2314

There is no real plan, so there haven't actually been any changes; it is all marketing mumbo-jumbo.

Agreed. Whatever happens here will be determined by the purchaser, not the broker and the current owner.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by sbarn

Agreed. Whatever happens here will be determined by the purchaser, not the broker and the current owner.

That kind of goes without saying. Obviously a broker doesn't determine a development.

The point is that the marketing by the owner and broker represents their best determination of what they think will rise, and specifically what they think the market will determine as highest and best use.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by sbarn

Agreed. Whatever happens here will be determined by the purchaser, not the broker and the current owner.

That's assuming of course that the current owner will not be involved with the development, which at this point we don't know. They were previously partnered with Sherwood Equities to build a large tower on site, but now apparently that is off the table. I used the 432 Park scenario (they are not exactly the same) as an idea of how a previous owner could stay on board with a development.

Obviously we don't know what form the building will take, but as is they have made some minor adjustments to the scenario they are pushing.

Michael J. Macaluso, Principal and Founder of MJM + A Architects, was retained by the property owners and their exclusive real estate broker Massey Knakal to come up with a grand design for the building. “

At 1,800 feet, Hudson Spire will be even taller than the recently-constructed Freedom Tower at the World Trade Center. “Since 9/11, the city has gone through a long healing process. The owners of the property want to create a building that looks forward, not back, that will uplift the city but is unrelated to 9/11,” says Macaluso.

It will be up to a developer or investor to determine what ultimately gets built.

[gttx]

Originally Posted by NYguy

The plan was for about 108 stories, now for about 110 according to this press release. Take it for what it's worth.


http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/02/prweb11578927.htm

MJM + A Architects Unveil Design for Hudson Spire –The Tallest Building in North America
1,800 foot multi-use luxury commercial and residential tower will be an integral part of NYC’s Hudson Yards Development.


February 17, 2014

The choice of architect to study this building says a lot about its current status - ie, we aren't even close to reality yet. Not to knock MJM+A, but some south Florida hotels and interior renovations don't exactly prepare you for a 100+ story mega tower. Talk to me when we see someone on board with experience in this department. Until then this is just brokers fishing for a sale.

[babybackribs2314]

Originally Posted by Crawford

That kind of goes without saying. Obviously a broker doesn't determine a development.

The point is that the marketing by the owner and broker represents their best determination of what they think will rise, and specifically what they think the market will determine as highest and best use.

This is untrue; the marketing by the owner and broker may reflect what could rise, but in reality, the point is to generate hype so the property sells for more than it would otherwise.