F*ck the CMA: Find Population on Map

[MolsonExport]

For shits and giggles, and likely some spirited discussion about population density, geography, and CMAs.
https://www.freemaptools.com/find-population.htm

Within 100km (62.14 miles in the ancient measurement system of cubits and pecks) of downtown_____, there are _______ people:
Toronto 8,626,831
Montreal 4,737,767
Vancouver 3,207,026
Ottawa 1,605,037
Calgary 1,238,507
Edmonton 1,148,608
Quebec City 1,084,257
Winnipeg 865,544
Halifax 558,444

I did not include Hamilton, Kitchener, etc. because of these cities overlap with larger urban centres like Toronto.

New York City 20,598,460
Los Angeles 16,362,200
Chicago 9,726,824

Tokyo 39,351,430
Hong Kong 30,545,060
London (UK) 18,285,010
Paris 13,120,800
Lagos 13,373,040

[Stay Stoked Brah]

fun site, it will occupy a lot of your time! I was using that site for all the population estimates in the Oklahoma City thread.

[sopas ej]

Interesting!

I did:

Colombo, Sri Lanka - 10,975,060
Manila - 26,759,120
Mexico City - 26,447,310

[iheartthed]

Major U.S. cities with at least 4M people in 100 km radius, in order:

New York City 20,598,460
Los Angeles 16,362,200
Philadelphia: 9,994,674
Chicago 9,726,824
Baltimore: 8,872,962
Washington: 7,985,888
San Francisco: 7,575,869
Boston: 7,408,713
Detroit: 6,555,219
Dallas: 5,776,509
Fort Lauderdale: 5,418,778
San Diego: 5,272,606
Buffalo: 5,248,179 (from Niagara Falls: 7,546,879)
Atlanta: 5,174,462
Houston: 5,156,490
Miami: 4,965,401
Cleveland: 4,105,153
Seattle: 4,025,621

This might surprise some.

[hipster duck]

^Phoenix?

[fonzi]

Originally Posted by hipster duck

^Phoenix?

It might be based on 2010 numbers, as the radius includes much of Pinal County, at least the most populous parts. I got just over 3.5 million with downtown Phoenix as center point.

[Stay Stoked Brah]

Originally Posted by fonzi

It might be based on 2010 numbers, as the radius includes much of Pinal County, at least the most populous parts. I got just over 3.5 million with downtown Phoenix as center point.

I think you're right. I was looking around the website 2-3 days ago and couldn't figure out how to find out where they got their information or from what year(s)

[Northern Light]

Originally Posted by Stay Stoked Brah

I think you're right. I was looking around the website 2-3 days ago and couldn't figure out how to find out where they got their information or from what year(s)

I used the polygon option to follow the exact boundaries of the City of Toronto.

It showed a population of less than 2.5M

The last time the City of Toronto had a census population under 2.5M was 2001.

To further check; I followed the boundaries of Brampton, a large Toronto suburb.

It shows a population of 373,000; the most recent census (2016) shows 593,000

This also appears to be 2001 data.

[wwmiv]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Major U.S. cities with at least 4M people in 100 km radius, in order:

New York City 20,598,460
Los Angeles 16,362,200
Philadelphia: 9,994,674
Chicago 9,726,824
Baltimore: 8,872,962
Washington: 7,985,888
San Francisco: 7,575,869
Boston: 7,408,713
Detroit: 6,555,219
Dallas: 5,776,509
Fort Lauderdale: 5,418,778
Atlanta: 5,174,462
Houston: 5,156,490
Miami: 4,965,401
Cleveland: 4,105,153
Seattle: 4,025,621

This might surprise some.

No surprises but some surprising omissions.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Major U.S. cities with at least 4M people in 100 km radius, in order:

New York City 20,598,460
Los Angeles 16,362,200
Philadelphia: 9,994,674
Chicago 9,726,824
Baltimore: 8,872,962
Washington: 7,985,888
San Francisco: 7,575,869
Boston: 7,408,713
Detroit: 6,555,219
Dallas: 5,776,509
Fort Lauderdale: 5,418,778
Atlanta: 5,174,462
Houston: 5,156,490
Miami: 4,965,401
Cleveland: 4,105,153
Seattle: 4,025,621

This might surprise some.

Philadelphia bigger than Chicago? Did not expect that.

[Stay Stoked Brah]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Philadelphia bigger than Chicago? Did not expect that.

population overlap with New York, Wilmington and Baltimore.
a radius of 62 miles = 12,130 square miles. that's a larger area than 9 states
NYC = 301 square miles = 8,336,817
LA = 468 square miles = 3,979,576
Chicago = 227 square miles = 2,693,976
Philadelphia = 134 square miles = 1,584,064

[10023]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Philadelphia bigger than Chicago? Did not expect that.

Philadelphia is smack in the middle of the East Coast megalopolis, and there’s also a bunch of northern New Jersey that is double counted for both NYC and Philly. But yeah, there’s nothing around Chicago beyond the suburbs.

[chris08876]

The U.S. for the most part is quite sparse, almost rural one might say.

With some areas, minute you leave the suburbs, literally nothing. Starts to get empty real quick.

[jbermingham123]

Originally Posted by chris08876

The U.S. for the most part is quite sparse, almost rural one might say.

With some areas, minute you leave the suburbs, literally nothing. Starts to get empty real quick.

Yeah, I find a lot of people who live in the Eastern US dont understand the true Emptiness of the US west of the Mississippi. For most of the country, the urban/rural divide is not just big city v small town.. its civilization v wilderness. "Farmland" is often far too generous a description

[Northern Light]

Originally Posted by chris08876

The U.S. for the most part is quite sparse, almost rural one might say.

With some areas, minute you leave the suburbs, literally nothing. Starts to get empty real quick.

Conceptually I disagree with you.

Sure, if your comparing the NYC megalopolis to Idaho.....ain't nobody there in Idaho.

But in reality there almost 1.8M people in Idaho.

Not exactly empty.

There's no need to clutter what remains of 'lower 48' wilderness with more people.

Its nice as it is.

It would be nicer still if areas like Appalachia could be returned to a similar state.

De-populate, make room for cougars, bears, snakes, eagles etc.

***

Also the relative comparison of US density isn't what people make it out to be.

I googled a list of countries by population density and ordered it, from least dense to most.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ies-by-density

The U.S. is the 59th least population dense country.

First is Greenland at less than 1 person per km2

Australia is #7 at 3 people per km2

Canada is #11 at 4 people per km2

Russian is #19 at 9 people per km2

Saudi Arabia is #25 at 19 people per km2

Argentina is the same at 19 people per km2

The U.S. is #59 at 35 people per km2

But that's deceptive as it includes Alaska.

The U.S is really closer to 40 per km2 (10x the density of Canada)

[MonkeyRonin]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Major U.S. cities with at least 4M people in 100 km radius, in order:

New York City 20,598,460
Los Angeles 16,362,200
Philadelphia: 9,994,674
Chicago 9,726,824
Baltimore: 8,872,962
Washington: 7,985,888
San Francisco: 7,575,869
Boston: 7,408,713
Detroit: 6,555,219
Dallas: 5,776,509
Fort Lauderdale: 5,418,778
Atlanta: 5,174,462
Houston: 5,156,490
Miami: 4,965,401
Cleveland: 4,105,153
Seattle: 4,025,621

This might surprise some.

Most correspond pretty closely with CSA populations, though Detroit (higher) and Dallas (lower) are a bit of surprise.

Philadelphia and Baltimore are of course "surprises", though those also pick up parts of neighbouring metros so they're not so much a reflection of their own populations as it is that they're just in a heavily populated corridor with larger cities bleeding into their hinterlands.

[The North One]

Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

Most correspond pretty closely with CSA populations, though Detroit (higher) and Dallas (lower) are a bit of surprise.

The radius includes places like Flint, Sarina, half of Toledo. Which I think is a big stretch to call Detroit's population, those are independent per-war cities. So probably chop off around 600K.

Around 6 million is my idea of Detroit's real size.

[hipster duck]

Some other major cities where the population is cooked by international borders and/or adjacent, larger metros:

San Diego: 5,272,606
Buffalo: 4,436,596

A fun one:

Bellingham, WA: 3,696,834. Picks up 3 independent metros in 2 countries which are all much bigger than Bellingham.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by hipster duck

Some other major cities where the population is cooked by international borders and/or adjacent, larger metros:

San Diego: 5,272,606
Buffalo: 4,436,596

Forgot about these two. I'll add to my list.

[fonzi]

Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

Most correspond pretty closely with CSA populations, though Detroit (higher) and Dallas (lower) are a bit of surprise.

Philadelphia and Baltimore are of course "surprises", though those also pick up parts of neighbouring metros so they're not so much a reflection of their own populations as it is that they're just in a heavily populated corridor with larger cities bleeding into their hinterlands.

Cleveland and Pittsburgh, with over 3.7 million listed, both include much of the Youngstown-Warren metro populations. Also, Cleveland's radius has Canton, OH, which usually isn't included on CMSA population figures. Very interesting tool though, as I remember a mathematical formula that creates a radius around a metro area, based on population, as pertains to it's sphere of influence. This seems to emulate that formula, to a degree.