Doug Ford Won!!!

[kaiserLDN]

So amazing a PC majority. I guess we wont get much money because London decided to get so many NDP. Then again we didn't get much with the Liberals.

I also can't wait to uncover all the scandals Wynne had. I don't feel bad for her at all.

[haljackey]

Doug Ford is all talk, he did not really have the numbers to back up a lot of his commitments.

For London, I don't think he said much about the BRT plan. As far as I know he is leaving it up to the city to decide which is probably going to be the biggest ballot issue next election.

High speed rail still on the table?

What else will London get? What could get cut? Stay tuned to find out...

Do you really think London would get more if it went PC? I don't really think so.

[jammer139]

This is the problem with the left wing socialist supporters.

Free Healthcare, Free Education, Free Childcare, Free drugs. FREE FREE FREE.
What can the Government give me TODAY for FREE?

They simply can't understand that none of it is free. It all costs money. Whether it is via Taxes, User Fees or Credit.

Someone on this forum even said that Governments can keep on borrowing and never have to pay it back and that there is no consequence for that policy.

City of Detroit, Greece are examples of what can happen to governments that behave that way. And the citizens suffer for it.

[vid]

The PCs promised they wouldn't cut, but also promised to spend between 9 and 40 billion (depending on how you add up the vague numbers they gave, since they don't have a costed platform). So they're going to add to the debt, too.

Greece has a debt to GDP ratio well over 180% and lenders have declined to lend to them. Ontario's debt to GDP ratio is less than 50% (Ontario's GDP is more than 3 times that of Greece and our debt is equal in total amount, so we have one third of the debt load they have) and lenders are still apparently very willing to give us money. Ontario doesn't even have the largest debt to GDP ratio in Canada—Newfoundland, Quebec, and New Brunswick all have more debt relative to GDP. So to compare us to Greece is disingenuous at best and outright misleading, malicious scaremongering at worst. Most people repeating that claim are only showing off their ignorance, not their awareness.

So, either the PCs won't reduce our debt, or they won't make good on their spending promises. Which is it? Which do you want it to be?

[haljackey]

And this is why there isn't a centrist party in Ontario anymore. As a centrist voter I didn't like that I had to make a choice between left and right this election. No party really appealed to me.

It's just too hard to balance the books these days. You either have to cut and/or create new taxes, or just ignore the debt and keep digging deeper.

Ford and the PCs took the 'easy way' by not releasing a costed platform. They were banking on voters that would elect them solely based on the fact that they are not the government and that they will get a tax break, all without cutting services. It worked.

Who knows maybe it's possible but I'm shaking my head until I see the numbers. I'll give them a shot, they were elected fairly after all. I'm really saddened by all this negativity on the left and douchebaggery on the right - it's just so projected these days due to social media.

[MrSlippery519]

Originally Posted by haljackey

And this is why there isn't a centrist party in Ontario anymore. As a centrist voter I didn't like that I had to make a choice between left and right this election. No party really appealed to me.

This was largely how I felt as well, I really thought about tossing out my vote but did not end up doing that.

None of the financials really added up, even the NDP who did try and give more information as to how they would accomplish some things was far fetched without cuts not mentioned

[jammer139]

Good read about the urban rural divide.

http://lfpress.com/news/local-news/s...ontario-voters

[haljackey]

Originally Posted by jammer139

Good read about the urban rural divide.

http://lfpress.com/news/local-news/s...ontario-voters

Every time I hear / read about urban vs rural I always think of this

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[can00k]

I'd really like to hear opinions of how you think the PCs have governed over the past year and a bit.

For me, it's pretty much what I expected. A party with no platform cuts and slashes social services for the most vulnerable, setting us up for privatization. I'd also love to know how much this province is spending on legal fees this year.

[haljackey]

Simply put, Ontario got what it deserved.

At least all of London's urban ridings went NDP... we did our part to try and stop Douggie.

[tyeman200]

Total crap. How the government lost 42 million on weed sales is beyond me. Because they have this stupid ass lottery system. Ontario is the biggest province and has half of Canada's population, why are we only giving out permits to like 10 stores a year? Other provinces have stores everywhere, we are so behind. This is why I'll still buy my weed from BC, better quality and better service than the government. Also, all the cuts is ridiculous. My former high school was supposed to have its grand opening this year for their new building. Thanks to Doug ford, they still have no funding, and the old school is still there rotting away, when a new school is desperately needed. They still have flooding damages from when I went there in 2013.

[Djeffery]

The loss on pot sales was for less than 6 months of sales, and I'm sure all the startup costs spent over the year or so before legalization was all lumped into that short period as well.

[jammer139]

OPSEU union boss claiming it would have been better under LCBO. What a joke. OPSEU staffed distribution centers are part of the problem.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...856384073.html

The correct path should have been to license retailers and stay completely out of the retail business and collect the taxes and fees.

The same thing should be done with the LCBO. Ontario would make far more NET without OPSEU based LCBO's, real estate costs, retail operation costs, pensions, labour costs etc.

[UpstairsCranberry]

Originally Posted by jammer139

They simply can't understand that none of it is free.

Or it's your strawman. Socialists know where the money comes from - The people who have benefited the most from the government.

[AbabelleS]

Originally Posted by jammer139

OPSEU union boss claiming it would have been better under LCBO. What a joke. OPSEU staffed distribution centers are part of the problem.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...856384073.html

The correct path should have been to license retailers and stay completely out of the retail business and collect the taxes and fees.

The same thing should be done with the LCBO. Ontario would make far more NET without OPSEU based LCBO's, real estate costs, retail operation costs, pensions, labour costs etc.

ya but more good paying jobs come with LCBO staying in gov hands. it's not like the cost of booze is going to go down if sold privately

[tyeman200]

Originally Posted by AbabelleS

ya but more good paying jobs come with LCBO staying in gov hands. it's not like the cost of booze is going to go down if sold privately

It probably would. How come in Quebec I can get 2 cases of corona for 55 bucks, but a case here in Ontario costs 50 bucks alone?

[inimrepus]

Originally Posted by tyeman200

It probably would. How come in Quebec I can get 2 cases of corona for 55 bucks, but a case here in Ontario costs 50 bucks alone?

Largely taxes. Ontario has minimum prices for alcohol.