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Old Posted Feb 19, 2020, 4:44 PM
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Looks like Hamilton 100 will get unanimous support from Council to proceed the next step of the bidding process.
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Hosting proposal is due March 9th to Commonwealth Games Canada (CGC) and March 31st, CGC will select Canada's preferred bid city.
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At least they are willing to use pre-existing venues for the vast majority of events so the costs shouldn't be too insane.
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Hamilton takes another step toward bidding to host the Commonwealth Games
The city will endorse the second phase of Hamilton 100's bid, despite concerns about what it would cost

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...ames-1.5468336

Hamilton city councillors will take the next step in encouraging a bid to host the 100th anniversary Commonwealth Games.

City council's general issues committee voted 10-3 Wednesday to give an endorsement letter to Hamilton 100, a local group of volunteers and business people who want the city to host the games in 2030.

There are still several steps to go. Hamilton 100 will submit the second phase of its bid, along with the city's letter of endorsement, by March 9 to Commonwealth Games Canada. That group will select its preferred Canadian city by March 31, and if that's Hamilton, negotiations would start with the provincial and federal governments.

Both would have to contribute some significant money to the $1.425 billion effort. So would Hamilton, which city staff estimate will need to pitch in $300 million through private and city money.

The city hosted the first games, at that time known as the British Empire Games, in 1930.

Hamilton councillors, buoyed by Hamilton 100's promise of making the city "a major sports tourism destination for the next generation," agreed to do their part to push it ahead.

"We cannot waste the enormous effort of Hamilton 100," said Tom Jackson, Ward 6 (east Mountain) councillor. Hamilton has already bid on the games twice since it first hosted them in 1930, he said, and "I don't want to be a loser a third time."

"There is nothing lost in endorsing this," agreed Terry Whitehead, Ward 14 (west Mountain) councillor.

City staff didn't seem so sure. A long list of city staff have already been working on the games file "off the sides of our desks," said finance head Mike Zegarac, and spent all weekend working at home after the Hamilton 100 bid proposal arrived on Friday.

A successful bid would take up significant city resources, Zegarac said. His joint report recommended councillors only receive the report.

The Hamilton 100 team suggests using development charges to help pay for recreation facilities the city would need, Zegarac said. But the province is making changes around development charges, and there's no guarantee "soft" charges like recreation will be available.

"There is limited resource capacity to deliver on this scope of work," he said, "and other projects may have to be deferred for us to direct our limited resources to meet our obligations to this project."

PJ Mercanti, of Carmen's Group, told councillors this is an opportunity Hamilton can't miss, and the city's "most prominent institutions are at the table."

The athlete's village could become as many as 700 units of affordable housing, he said. The new venues will make Hamilton "a major sports tourism destination for the next generation," and Hamilton's children will be inspired.

"We owe it to them to leave them with a better city than we inherited, and not only with great new facilities," said Mercanti. He's also involved in the Hamilton Urban Precinct Arts and Entertainment Group, which wants to renovate and redevelop three downtown entertainment facilities.

John-Paul Danko, Ward 8 (west Mountain) councillor, was one of three councillors who opposed moving forward. City staff are hesitant, he said, and there's no point in stringing Hamilton 100 along if the city doesn't plan to go through with this.

Mayor Fred Eisenberger seemed ready to go all the way.

"If one isn't inspired by that, I'm not sure what would inspire one," he told the Hamilton 100 team. "As Gretzky says, you miss 100 per cent of the shots you don't take, and in my view, we have to take this one."

City council still has to ratify the move on Feb. 26.
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There are still several steps to go. Hamilton 100 will submit the second phase of its bid, along with the city's letter of endorsement, by March 9 to Commonwealth Games Canada. That group will select its preferred Canadian city by March 31, and if that's Hamilton, negotiations would start with the provincial and federal governments.

Both would have to contribute some significant money to the $1.425 billion effort. So would Hamilton, which city staff estimate will need to pitch in $300 million through private and city money.
In their June 2019 delegation to council, Hamilton 100 team pegged the Games' operational costs at $1B and capital costs at $500M.

In March 2019, Brian MacPherson, CEO of the Commonwealth Games, apparently the basic operational cost at $1.5B, plus about $500M for capital.

So the City and private partners would essentially be paying for the post-Games legacy. (Should we throw a decade's worth of inflation on that, or would that spoil the reveal?)

The CG brain trust have yet to award the 2026 Games, delaying that process by a year so that they could be sure that they had the optimal partner. Do you imagine they'll be selective about bids on the 100th anniversary edition?

Even under a best-case scenario, we're looking at another few years of treading water while senior governments (and, Xenu willing, council's calcified lifers) lapse before the city will know if it's even in the running.
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Interesting that they note temporary or permanent seats for all venues except the 40,000 seat track stadium at Mohawk.

Also interesting they use paramount fine foods centre in Mississauga but not the meridian centre in st kitts. Also interesting that diving would be at brock and not the proposed new aquatics complex at Mac. The mac aquatic complex says 5000 temp seats but surely mac would want to keep at least some as permanent. .
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Surprised no mention of Chedoke Twin Pad Arena. In the 2010 bid, Chedoke was to host table tennis, however, it looks like they want to build a new multisports complex.

Just take this with a grain of salt, eventually, it'll all change. Remember the 2015 bid? Copps was supposed to get indoor volleyball, Mac a new Aquatic Centre, etc.
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2 councillors voted against. I think it was the usual snowflakes who don't watch or participate in sports. Danko and Wilson I think voted No. This is what Hamilton needs to get back in the game with the cancellation of LRT.
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What a damn waste of money. Ridiculous.
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2 councillors voted against. I think it was the usual snowflakes who don't watch or participate in sports. Danko and Wilson I think voted No. This is what Hamilton needs to get back in the game with the cancellation of LRT.
Honestly I don't agree. This is one of those things that would be great if Hamilton had it's shit together, but it doesn't. It has a $3.7b Infrastructure debt, just lost LRT and is still struggling to attract major employment to the city.

The 2030 common wealth games is like bringing your wife to Ancaster mill when you're both unemployed, chequeing account is in overdraft and both of you have $2000+ credit card debts. It would be really nice, but not a great use of money.
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2 councillors voted against. I think it was the usual snowflakes who don't watch or participate in sports. Danko and Wilson I think voted No. This is what Hamilton needs to get back in the game with the cancellation of LRT.
Danko played varsity football for mcmaster and sailed competitively. Hes currently active in mens hockey and rock climbing.

..... so that throws your narrative out the window with regards to him being a “snowflake who doesn't watch or participate in sports”
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PJ Mercanti, of Carmen's Group, told councillors this is an opportunity Hamilton can't miss…

The athlete's village could become as many as 700 units of affordable housing, he said.
Bid package sees things differently.

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Non-Sports Venue
Athlete's Village
Proposed Venue
McMaster University
Description
6,000 beds at McMaster, with food service options and meeting rooms
Mercanti is presumably talking about the officials' residences. Bid package:

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Non-Sports Venue
Technical Officials Accommodation
Proposed Venue
Up to 4 sites in city centre (sites to be determined)
Description
Average of 200, 2 bedroom units per building with ground floor providing food service, meeting rooms, training rooms and social spaces
Recall Mercanti's Nov 2019 pitch to GIC:

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The proposal, said Hamilton 100 president P.J. Mercanti, would also include building residences in the east end and downtown to accommodate 1,500 games officials. He suggested to councillors during the Nov. 5 general issues committee meeting that once the event is over, the residences could be converted into affordable housing.
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Well looks like Hamilton has been awarded the 2026 Games lol, so now they have a tough decision to make, stick with 2030 bid or take the 2026 Games?


Should Hamilton apply for the Commonwealth Games in 2026? Or gamble on 2030?

https://www.thespec.com/sports/hamil...026-games.html

Commonwealth Sport Canada — which oversees all aspects of the Commonwealth Games in this country — says the 2026 Games are Hamilton’s if the city and relevant stakeholders want them.

But if Hamilton does successfully arrange for the 2026 Games, it could not also stage the 2030 Games, for which Hamilton100, the corporation set up to plan and make Hamilton’s bid, has already submitted a strong two-part application as host committee. 

Brian MacPherson, CEO of Commonwealth Sport Canada told The Spectator Thursday afternoon that the Commonwealth Games Federation, the Games’ international governing body, has given Hamilton “first and sole” status for 2026, meaning it has the Games if it chooses to apply. 

If Hamilton doesn’t apply — or does apply but for some reason can’t come to all the necessary agreements to make it work — Hamilton would still be Canada’s only bid city for the 2030 Games but would face substantial competition from other cities around the world. 
Because of the pandemic, there are no other current bids for 2026, from any country. In the second stage of bids for 2026 and 2030 to the Canadian association on March 9, Calgary’s bid for 2026 was eliminated because it did not meet all the bidding criteria. 

The national and international bodies have requested a meeting by the end of April with all potential stakeholders in a Hamilton bid because it needs to award the 2026 Games by the end of this year, or at the very latest, in early 2021.

In a development that has been brewing for over a week, those stakeholders met by conference call Wednesday night and heard the 2026 offer from the Commonwealth Games Federation. Those on the call included the national and international Games organizations, Hamilton100, the city, and representatives of the federal and provincial governments.

“All we’re being asked right now is if we are open-minded to a conversation about it. We’re not being asked to make a decision, ” Lou Frapporti of Hamilton100, said earlier in the day.

“We’re open minded about having a discussion, it would be foolish not to be. We are appreciative and sensitive that the city is fully focused on the pandemic. We understand that it is a different world right now, but we are going to come out of on the other side of this at some point. And we are going to be facing big unemployment and economic problems in the region.

“Investment will be required very soon and we’d be foolish to turn our back on at least listening.”

There was some speculation that Hamilton might have a distant shot at both Games, but MacPherson quickly shot that down.

“Governments can’t underwrite the costs of two Games,” he said “The offer on the table is do the Games in the summer of 2026.

“It’s important to note that even they do bid and for some reason can’t make all the arrangements (to stage the 2026 event), their 2030 bid is still viable. We are not reopening the process, Hamilton would be our bid from Canada. But there would be other countries who want the 100th Anniversary Games too.”

The city, immersed in dealing with COVID-19, referred all inquiries about the Games back to Hamilton100.

Hamilton100’s bid for 2030 — playing upon the 100th anniversary of the inaugural Games (then known as the British Empire Games) held in Hamilton — had a number of critical selling points; including a collaboration of private and public investment and regionalization of some of the infrastructure and costs.

If a bid for 2026 is considered, it is probable that the private/public investing would be a central issue, but it’s also possible that there could be a broader regionalization of facilities and government investment than in the 2030 bid.

There has been no discussion about financial contributions from the national or international organizations to a Hamilton bid which would rescue the continuity of the Games an add to the value of the centennial Games, wherever they would be held.

But MacPherson did say that the Commonwealth Games Federation did provide a “sport refresh program” which would allow for reducing the number of sports (16 core sports plus two or three at-local-discretion sports) involved. That would cut costs by reducing the number of athletes and officials from 6,000 to about 4,800 and might also requiring building one or two smaller sports venues.

“The Hamilton bid, its regional character, the strength of our province, would make us a very compelling host city in 2026,” Frapporti said earlier. “Because we feel an obligation of stewardship to the Games as the city who give it birth, it would seem short-sighted to refuse to be open to a conversation.

“The priorities that we have spoken about in our bid around investment, research, innovation, affordable housing — along with tourism, hospitality, athletics and wellness — take on an entirely different meaning owing to the virus and the massive economic dislocation this is causing.”
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^Considering the time frame and the complete lack of certainty that awaits us, I'd say thanks but no thanks.
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stick with 2030, better chance against Australia or someone else. What Calgary dropped out of 2026 so Canada Commonwealth Canada tells Hamilton to go for it. Stick with the plan for 2030, we have lots to build and Hamilton can't do anything fast.
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^Considering the time frame and the complete lack of certainty that awaits us, I'd say thanks but no thanks.
My response to this before covid-19 was "No. Get lost."

My response today is "Hell, no! Go F yourself!"
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Put that money to good use, affordable housing, mental health, increase of ambulances, we currently have a shortfall of approx. 200 firefighters, not to mention more resources for local hospitals, plus a 100 hundred other things this city needs well, well before these games. Absolute nonsense imhp, but hey, that is, just my opinion, one of many. I'm certainly not the one running the show.
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stick with 2030, better chance against Australia or someone else. What Calgary dropped out of 2026 so Canada Commonwealth Canada tells Hamilton to go for it. Stick with the plan for 2030, we have lots to build and Hamilton can't do anything fast.
2026 has no bids from any other countries, not just canada.
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Hamilton could host the 2026 Commonwealth Games — but does the city want them?
Hamilton's mayor says the games are not a priority right now

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...them-1.5524513

With Hamilton offered "first and sole" consideration for the 2026 Commonwealth Games, the city must now decide whether they want to commit to hosting the massive sporting event four years earlier than anticipated.

But as the city works around the clock to get COVID-19 under control, Hamilton Mayor Fred Eisenberger said it's not an "appropriate time" to make decisions around the Commonwealth Games and that the bid group will likely have a "difficult" time getting city approval.

"We're in no position right now to be dealing with that kind of decision, given the current circumstances that we're dealing with around the crisis and pandemic," Eisenberger told CBC News.

On March 26, Hamilton was selected as the country's preferred host city for the 2030 games, according to Commonwealth Sport Canada CEO Brian MacPherson.

That same day, the Hamilton 100 Committee, which assembled the bid, was notified by the Commonwealth Games Federation that they could choose to host the 2026 games, as there were no other potential bidders.

"It's been a heck of a roller-coaster," said Louis Frapporti, a lead member on the Hamilton 100 Committee." I think (this is) exacerbated, obviously, by the dislocation and disruption everybody's feeling with the pandemic."

Though Calgary had submitted a bid to represent Canada in the 2026 games, MacPherson said the city was not selected because it didn't secure support from its municipal and provincial governments.

Hamilton anticipated spending $1.425 billion on the 2030 games, though it's too soon to say what that price-tag will look like should they decide to go after the earlier date.

Eisenberger said he anticipates there will be conversations about the decision, though nothing has been formally organized.

The mayor added that at this time, he prefers 2030 and is hearing the same from councillors because it offers them a longer timeline. The city isn't planning to make a decision until June or later, though their understanding is that the Commonwealth's international body wants to know by end of May.

The bid group has until the end of April to express interest in pursuing the 2026 games. Should they choose to move forward, the group will start having discussions with all stakeholders, including the different levels of government, Frapporti said.

To be officially awarded the gig, the bid group will need to satisfy all requirements and receive multi-party agreement.

'We need to rebuild'

But, Frapporti told CBC, the COVID-19 pandemic complicates the decision to pursue the games in 2026 — mainly because ending the virus is currently everyone's top priority.

On the other hand, Frapporti said, it's important to look ahead.

COVID-19 will have "profound economic consequences," he said, and the games might just help stabilize the local economy.

During a press conference last week, Eisenberger said he didn't know exactly how much money the city was bleeding, but that he believes the figure is in the millions in terms of lost revenue and rising expenses.

He likened it to the Great Depression.

"This is the first time I've ever experienced anything like this," Eisenberger said, adding that, "It is a bad movie getting worse."

Frapporti said he believes the games could help restore what has been "devastated" by the pandemic, including employment, stimulus spending, the tourism and hospitality industries, among other things.

"We couldn't have expected the pandemic, but now that it's hit, the tornado has come through, we need to rebuild," he said. "This is a really, really powerful way of doing that much sooner than anybody could have hoped and that's a conversation that we think is important to have at the appropriate moment."

In addition to all this, part of the reason the city had bid for the 2030 games was because it would be the 100th anniversary of the first games, which also took place in Hamilton as the British Empire Games.

Frapporti acknowledged that a big part of the support they received from the city and stakeholders was because of the significance of the event for Hamilton.

"In my mind for Canadians and for Hamiltonians, it's the 100th anniversary and that certainly resonates well with me...and to celebrate them again 100 years later, right back to where it started from has a lot of cachet in my mind," Eisenberger said.

"So it would be a pretty big leap for me to to switch from that to go to another date that doesn't have the same kind of commemorative value to it."

Should the bid group decide not to pursue 2026, they will likely have to compete against international bidders for 2030.
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