noirish Los Angeles

[Earl Boebert]

Hey, at least we found Carroll Richter's place, Astrologer to the Stars (and a First Lady).

Good work, FlyingW.

Cheers,

Earl

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by BDiH

Sorry, I don't know who owned the place. I have color home movies of the exterior of the Hangover from the early 1940s when my mother's boyfriend, Bob Laine (Downbeat's pianist of the year, 1945), was playing there. She was living at the Alto Nido, next door to Bonita Granville, at the time. In the late 1930s and early 1940s, her favorite clubs were the Jade (where Steve Boardner tended bar) on Hollywood Boulevard, Fred Harvey's on Cahuenga, Don the Beachcomber (when Don Beach tended bar) on McCadden and the little piano lounge on Ivar where Nat Cole played before becoming famous. Her two favorite restaurants were Musso-Frank and the Gotham. Earl Carroll's was top-drawer, while the Florentine Gardens was a step down.

First, thanks for that evocative paragraph.

Pertaining to what I bolded above:

I don't know if you're interested, but occasionally the American Cinematheque at the Egyptian Theatre as well as AMPAS, either at the Pickford Center or at the Goldwyn on Wilshire, have programs where people can come in and bring their "home movies" and they're shown to audiences the same day. Talk about fascinating! (Sometimes dull, of course, it's a mixed bag.)
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The Jade! Your mother might have been able to answer the question of what was on the roof of this building!

Bruce Torrence



And also what was in a "Pink Jest" cocktail!
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Two more photos, dated 1928, of the GOTHAM at Hollywood Blvd. and Sycamore.

Bruce Torrence

Bruce Torrence

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

'Female' (1933), Warner Bros.
[...]
Joe Roig?

[...]

here's a better look. pretty impressive isn't it.

warner bros.

This post was several days ago, but I had to go look at it again. First, LOL at the Joe Roig reference, E_R!

And second, YES! I just love this statue. It is very impressive.
Let's get an artist to recreate one!

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

It might be 403 S. Mariposa:

March 17, 1940 Los Angeles Times

Thank you FW. The Germans weren't at 403 S Mariposa long. Roosevelt broke off diplomatic relations with the Third Reich in 1941 and Gyssling had to return to Germany, leaving, he said, "thousands of friends" behind.

Maybe the N Curson home is where Gyssling lived (at least before the move).

William Warren Orcutt (1869-1942) was an interesting person. His wiki is here

[so-cal-bear]

Quite an ill-fitting double breasted suit coat for a debonair blue blood, no?

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

"Prince George visits Los Angeles, 1928."


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1928-Prince-...item234ff91b98

Posing with a cigarette.....how times have changed.

reverse

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1928-Prince-...item234ff91b98

Is this Queen Elizabeth's uncle? cousin?

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[HossC]

I found these postcards too late for our recent discussion on the Chapman Park Hotel. I think they're both new to the thread.



eBay

This one just shows one of the bungalows.


eBay

[so-cal-bear]

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Wow! I remember the All American Burger on Vermont Ave and Olympic streets. There were more that I saw back in the early 80's as a kid. There was one in the Hollywood area too. My mind is getting too old to remember the actual locations.

QUOTE=GaylordWilshire;7011086]


Weren't we just talking about philistine Paul Allen having bulldozed Fred Thompson's "Enchanted Hill"?



Instead of Fred MacMurray and his Dodge or Plymouth as in the '44 version of Double Indemnity, Richard Crenna's Walter Neff is doing well enough in the '73 version to be driving a 280SL....









Maybe Samantha Eggar needed a bad blond wig...






B&W's from Steve Vaught's great Paradise Leased story on Enchanted Hill: https://paradiseleased.wordpress.com...rances-marion/


The '73 movie is on youtube--very Steven Bochco, and all dreary '70s beiges and browns, but it's a good print:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAYddvyH0Qs


A few more shots:

Seems to be the house's actual interior, but I didn't investigate very far--







Maybe someone remembers this--


All screenshots Universal Studios[/QUOTE]

[John Maddox Roberts]

Originally Posted by so-cal-bear

Quite an ill-fitting double breasted suit coat for a debonair blue blood, no?

Confusingly, George V, who was king at this time, had two sons named George. This is either Elizabeth's father, who became George VI in 1936 upon the abdication of his elder brother, Edward VIII, or his younger brother, styled Prince George, Duke of Kent.

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by John Maddox Roberts

Confusingly, George V, who was king at this time, had two sons named George. This is either Elizabeth's father, who became George VI in 1936 upon the abdication of his elder brother, Edward VIII, or his younger brother, styled Prince George, Duke of Kent.

Prince Albert, Duke of York, was QEII's father. He became George VI when he ascended the throne (they do that sometimes) but was called Bertie his entire life. The fellow in the photo was George V & Mary's 4th son, George, Duke of Kent.

There were 6 children altogether Edward, Albert, Mary, Henry, George and John. The first two were each monarch in turn.

[so-cal-bear]

Sa much as I like black and white old photos, I totally hate/despise colorized ones of the same subjects. Colorized ones let the people colorizing them choose what they want to see. I also remember TBS colorized films from the late 80's early 90's and they were horrible! Maybe it was Mr. Turner 's TBS colorizing films to fuel my passion to hate colorization.

Originally Posted by Tourmaline

Interesting example of colorized noir.

https://scontent-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hp...88&oe=55DD1CED

[HossC]

I have no objection to the occasional colorized photograph. So long as they're not masquerading as original color pictures, they can give a possible suggestion of how a scene may have looked. The artist of the ones posted recently does a fair bit of research (e.g. the available colors for the models of cars shown) to try and make the images plausible, even though there's no way to confirm them.

Having said that, I've watched several black and white movies in the last couple of weeks, and at no point did I wish they were in color.

[tovangar2]

Here you are Tetsu. I don't see any start on a new porch railing (or landscaping either) but the fence along the sidewalk has been repainted:


There's a bit of trim missing at the back corner of the porch:


pix:T2II

P.S.

Does a photo exist of the original porch rail? This is the earliest era I've seen. (One can still see the Richard Green House on W 11th to the left and behind. The trees are too big to get this shot now.):

cityproject

[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

It might be 403 S. Mariposa:

March 17, 1940 Los Angeles Times

403 S. Mariposa was built in 1916 and was torn down about 1954. The house is centered below in the somewhat inconclusive 1948 aerial.
However, there are palm trees in er's photo and palms all around 4th and Mariposa:

Historic Aerials.com -- http://www.historicaerials.com/

403 S. Mariposa on the 1921 Sanborn Map; this seems to match the house in the photo fairly well:

LAPL

Times June 17, 1941

[BDiH]

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

First, thanks for that evocative paragraph.

Pertaining to what I bolded above:

I don't know if you're interested, but occasionally the American Cinematheque at the Egyptian Theatre as well as AMPAS, either at the Pickford Center or at the Goldwyn on Wilshire, have programs where people can come in and bring their "home movies" and they're shown to audiences the same day. Talk about fascinating! (Sometimes dull, of course, it's a mixed bag.)___

Thanks. I have been to those shows and enjoyed them, but I have not taken my films there. I have others from the late 1930s and early 1940s, when my mother lived on Whitley Terrace (across from Hobart Whitley's home) with her parents and again at the Lido Apartments down the hill. In those days, the Lido had a beauty parlor, restaurant and a bar off the lobby that could be entered from the street corner of Yucca and Wilcox. There was also a swimming pool. The pool, just like the one at the Knickerbocker Hotel, vanished one day.

When my mother was staying at the Lido, my grandparents lived at the Mayfair across the street and my aunt lived at 6530 Yucca Street. I have color home movies and snapshots of them at these locations. My aunt moved to the Fontenoy on Whitley and later to the El Cabrillo Apartments at 1846 N. Grace Avenue. She eventually settled at 1839 N. Grace Avenue. Please keep in mind that these address on Grace Avenue did not have walls, fences or hedges surrounding them back then. Life was more gracious and people didn't lock themselves away from neighbors the way they do today.

My grandparents had a home on Fairfield Avenue, across from the Hollywood Bowl. The house was torn down for the Hollywood Freeway. My mother also lived at the Highland Towers at 1922 N. Highland and another time she lived at the DeMille Manor on Argyle.

One day I will transfer the films to DVD and go through the snapshots and post some photos.

[JScott]

Originally Posted by tovangar2

Prince Albert, Duke of York, was QEII's father. He became George VI when he ascended the throne (they do that sometimes) but was called Bertie his entire life. The fellow in the photo was George V & Mary's 4th son, George, Duke of Kent.

There were 6 children altogether Edward, Albert, Mary, Henry, George and John. The first two were each monarch in turn.

As I understand it, a British monarch can take any of his given names to be his regnal name. For instance, the present Prince of Wales was born Charles Philip Arthur George. Everybody probably expects him to be crowned HM King Charles III, but he could also elect to be George VII, the first King Philip, or even King Arthur if he wanted.

[Flyingwedge]

The Korbel Block is on the SW corner of East 1st Street and State Street in Boyle Heights, just two blocks from the restored Cummings Block at East 1st and Boyle. As originally built, the Korbel Block had two stores downstairs plus Korbel Hall upstairs. The architect was E. B Daniels.


October 10, 1891 Los Angeles Times @ LAPL

John and Elizabeth Korbel settled in Boyle Heights in 1882 and opened a bakery in 1886. John obtained US Patents 616420 (1898) and 759618 (1904) for a doughnut frying apperatus. The Korbel Bakery at 1868 E. 1st Street occupied one of the two stores downstairs in the Korbel Block.

Korbel Hall formally opened on December 31, 1891, with 600 people attending New Years Eve festivities. Korbel Hall was used for many meetings and community events over the years. On January 3, 1927, 400 people attended John and Elizabeth Korbel's 50th wedding anniversary there:

Beautiful Highlands of Los Angeles (1900) @ HathiTrust -- http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?i...iew=1up;seq=18

The outside of the Korbel Block; State Street is on the left, and 1st Street is on the right:

Beautiful Highlands of Los Angeles (1900) @ HathiTrust -- http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?i...iew=1up;seq=18

Here's the State Street side in May 2014. The arches on the top story of the Korbel Block seem to match up with the old photo, but the arches on the ground floor don't. It's disappointing to see the building in this condition, but wait until you see the 1st Street side:

GSV

Ack!

June 2014 GSV

John Korbel died in June 1931 and Elizabeth in March 1937. Their building may have lost its character in 1950, the year LA County gives as the Korbel Block's effective build date (it gives no original build date).

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P.S. Great job finding the photo of 403 S. Mariposa, GW!

[jg6544]

Originally Posted by JScott

As I understand it, a British monarch can take any of his given names to be his regnal name. For instance, the present Prince of Wales was born Charles Philip Arthur George. Everybody probably expects him to be crowned HM King Charles III, but he could also elect to be George VII, the first King Philip, or even King Arthur if he wanted.

Queen Victoria's eldest son, who became King Edward VII, had been named after his Father, Prince Albert, and throughout his life was "Bertie" to his family and close friends. When he became King, however, he chose the name Edward, because it was "more British" than Albert.

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by JScott

As I understand it, a British monarch can take any of his given names to be his regnal name.

LOL, that's true. Plenty of people think the lot of them should be Throne Out, but others think they're too important to the 'heritage biz', bringing in the tourist dollars, like they do. There's the entertainment value too, as tons of peculiar noir clings to them.

Anyway, if we are going to go by their full names, George V & Queen Mary had three sons, among 5 total, named George and three named Albert. There were also two Fredericks and a couple of Edwards (there were obviously some overlaps).





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Thanks FW for the post






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[GaylordWilshire]

Yes, please...

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

old file of mine

Even with your post GW, I'm still unsure which corner this is. Pls elaborate.