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Old Posted Apr 23, 2021, 2:57 AM
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Why do you oppose that kind of virtue signaling?
Because it is pointless. As Steely says, there is no reason to wear a mask outside. He is only doing it to avoid judgment from others.

If you like this, move to East Asia. I’m tired of wasting my life.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2021, 3:21 AM
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Because it is pointless. As Steely says, there is no reason to wear a mask outside. He is only doing it to avoid judgment from others.

If you like this, move to East Asia. I’m tired of wasting my life.
How does something supposedly pointless that other people do 'waste your life?'
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Because it is pointless. As Steely says, there is no reason to wear a mask outside. He is only doing it to avoid judgment from others.
Who runs public health though, the authorities or the individual? Besides, don't make me bring up PASC and the 1/3 neuro thing....absolutely nobody has attempted to counter it. I am very disappoint, do I have to mock in order to get people to talk about it? If not then it stands that all of you can't contest 1/3 of covid patients getting a neurological condition. The forum will have to assume that the people who don't like the lockdown are scared. Fear-porn reversed.
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If you like this, move to East Asia. I’m tired of wasting my life.
Or CA, where the lockdown is so bad that we eat indoors with no masks?
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2021, 3:51 AM
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Yeah, it's probably time to start putting out feelers to see if I can help jump start the resistance.

If enough people jump into the pool together at the same time, then no one has to be first.

It's why I'm excited to see more official sources come out and say "yeah, wearing a mask outside in the vast majority of situations is pointless". It's gives me something to work with.
I rarely wear a mask now when out and about outside. It seems like quite a few people aren't wearing them either. I will just walk out of the way if someone I don't know is getting close.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2021, 11:46 AM
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Who runs public health though, the authorities or the individual? Besides, don't make me bring up PASC and the 1/3 neuro thing....absolutely nobody has attempted to counter it. I am very disappoint, do I have to mock in order to get people to talk about it? If not then it stands that all of you can't contest 1/3 of covid patients getting a neurological condition. The forum will have to assume that the people who don't like the lockdown are scared. Fear-porn reversed.

Or CA, where the lockdown is so bad that we eat indoors with no masks?
Didn’t that just start in LA? And you can’t eat with a mask.

The “long-Covid” chatter is way overstated. And the “1/3 of Covid patients” stat is actually 1/3 of hospitalised Covid patients, which of course represent a small minority of cases and are unlikely to include the young. If your blood oxygen drops to the point where you need to be intubated, then yes there is risk of neurological damage. But I would have no need to worry about that because I have no need to worry about becoming so severely ill from Covid.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2021, 11:53 AM
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How does something supposedly pointless that other people do 'waste your life?'
Lockdowns, social distancing and travel restrictions are wasting my life.
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While I agree that wearing masks outside is pretty damn silly, I still wear one, but not to virtue signal, it's because everyone else in my neighborhood does so, and I'm scared to be the first one to de-mask and risk my neighbors thinking of me as a self-centered jag-off.

Hopefully with these new official reports of just how silly outdoor mask wearing is most of the time, we'll see a change up here in Lincoln square. I really think we're at the point now where no one wants to be the first one to jump into the pool out of fear of judgement.


Maybe I need to go into the t-shirt business.

It could say:

I think it's stupid to wear this mask outside
but I also don't want you to think I'm a jerk

so here we are



Might be a big seller this summer in chicago.
I love it!

Seriously though, at this point I also think mask-wearing outdoors is pretty silly and useless, with the exception of particularly crowded areas (farmer's markets and other such things, perhaps on crowded city streets). Those who continue to wear masks outdoors with few to no people around them are definitely doing it for their own mental comfort and not out of necessity or even moderate need.

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Old Posted Apr 23, 2021, 12:34 PM
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Because it is pointless. As Steely says, there is no reason to wear a mask outside. He is only doing it to avoid judgment from others.

If you like this, move to East Asia. I’m tired of wasting my life.
And I think I speak for most of us here when I say I'm tired of reading about how you're tired of wasting your life and how everything revolves around you and how your needs and wants are by definition so much more important than the needs and wants of others around you. You really need to seek therapy regarding your arrogance and self-centered behavior, man.

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My biggest problem with everyone wearing masks outside is that I can’t see the faces of the young women walking around
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2021, 12:58 PM
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My biggest problem with everyone wearing masks outside is that I can’t see the faces of the young women walking around
Fair, but I'd venture at least half of all people wearing masks look better with them than without them!

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My biggest problem with everyone wearing masks outside is that I can’t see the faces of the young women walking around
I suspect reduced catcalls and stares from creeps are part of the reason many women are still wearing masks.
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No.

Wearing a mask to show the world how good and virtuous and morally "correct" you are is virtue signaling.

Wearing a mask out of fear of judgement and punishment is not.

Have masks really become that politicized of an issue in the US that one needs to wear one even where not required just so others don't confuse you for a knuckle-dragging Trump supporter?

(or vice versa, that people in Red states are scared to wear them even where it makes sense?)
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I almost always wear a mask outside because I need to wear one while entering and exiting my apartment building, and I'm usually going to/coming from a place that requires me to wear one. So I'll only have a few minutes with the mask off before I need to put it on again anyway. The major exception to this is when I'm jogging or on my bike, in which case I'll only cover my face when I have to pass within arm length of someone else.

I don't think much of it when people aren't wearing masks outside. Where I live, there is a pretty even mix of people who are and aren't wearing them outdoors, and nobody really cares unless they're coughing or standing too close.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2021, 3:18 PM
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Have masks really become that politicized of an issue in the US that one needs to wear one even where not required just so others don't confuse you for a knuckle-dragging Trump supporter?

(or vice versa, that people in Red states are scared to wear them even where it makes sense?)
No, it has very little to do with politics, at least where I live.

I think most of this issue for me is being too agreeable for my own good sometimes.

By nature, I am NOT a boat rocker.

Hopefully, more sources talking about the pointlessness of outside masking will put a hole in the dam of the collective psychosis.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2021, 3:41 PM
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No, it has very little to do with politics, at least where I live.

I guess I didn't mean it quite so literally in the partisan political sense, but more in the manner of how everything seemingly gets dragged into the broader culture wars these days.

"Blue team" likes masks, therefore one shows their allegiance to Blue team by wearing a mask at all times, even when not necessary. "Red team" doesn't like masks, therefore one shows their allegiance to Red team by never wearing a mask and making a stink about it when they're forced to. Getting confused as belonging to the other team would be a very Bad Thing.

Basically, the idea that one has to wear a mask outside lest they risk social ostracization from their neighbours sounds very foreign to me. Even amongst compliant, rule-loving Canadians there's just a little more room for nuance.
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I understood what you meant, but it's not really about blue teams or red teams, at least not where I live.
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I suspect reduced catcalls and stares from creeps are part of the reason many women are still wearing masks.
Nah, attractive women like the attention, we all know this.

And anyhow, who the hell catcalls these days? That's such a 70's thing (whistling at women)
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I understood what you meant, but it's not really about blue teams or red teams, at least not where I live.
Well duh, there are probably like..........

4

Republicans

at most, living in the 20 square block radius of your condo.

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Old Posted Apr 23, 2021, 4:12 PM
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Well duh, there are probably like..........

4

Republicans

at most, living in the 20 square block radius of your condo.

that's true, urbanism is like kryptonite to conservatives.


hence why discussions about red teams or blue teams doesn't make a whole lot of sense where i live.

people here don't really think in those terms because one of the teams is entirely absent.
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Nah, attractive women like the attention, we all know this.

And anyhow, who the hell catcalls these days? That's such a 70's thing (whistling at women)
enough people catcall that my wife complained about it regularly pre-pandemic.
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