COVID-19 coronavirus disease in Ottawa

[migo]

Dr. Andew Kaufman, M.D.: UNMASKING THE LIES AROUND COVID-19: FACTS VS FICTION OF THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC:

https://www.andrewkaufmanmd.com/vids...don%20Real.mp4

https://www.andrewkaufmanmd.com/bio-credentials/

[phil235]

Originally Posted by migo

Dr. Andew Kaufman, M.D.: UNMASKING THE LIES AROUND COVID-19: FACTS VS FICTION OF THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC:

https://www.andrewkaufmanmd.com/vids...don%20Real.mp4

https://www.andrewkaufmanmd.com/bio-credentials/

Thanks for the link to his bio:

"Andy Kaufman, M.D. is a natural healing consultant, inventor, public speaker, forensic psychiatrist, and expert witness."

Even his own bio doesn't pretend he's qualified to provide an opinion on the coronavirus. Why would you?

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by eltodesukane

"How the Coronavirus Will Reshape Architecture ..."
Did the Spanish flu (1918 Flu Pandemic) reshaped Architecture? I don't think so.

The Spanish Flu predated the common use of air conditioning and exchanging in office buildings by 12+ years. Obviously a very different time when the ideas would have been shaped by very different circumstances.

[migo]

Originally Posted by phil235

Thanks for the link to his bio:

"Andy Kaufman, M.D. is a natural healing consultant, inventor, public speaker, forensic psychiatrist, and expert witness."

Even his own bio doesn't pretend he's qualified to provide an opinion on the coronavirus. Why would you?

I was waiting for your response...I'm not done yet...and there's a lot more, if 'you' do your own research:

More UK Covid “experts” facing serious data manipulation charges:
https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2020/06...ation-charges/

[phil235]

Originally Posted by migo

I was waiting for your response...I'm not done yet...and there's a lot more, if 'you' do your own research:

More UK Covid “experts” facing serious data manipulation charges:
https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2020/06...ation-charges/

Another response that doesn’t remotely address the point which, for the record, was his utter lack of qualifications to be saying what he’s saying. Feel free to respond directly at any point.

Also, I did do my research just like you asked. It produced nothing in support of your claims except more “Dr. Andrew Kaufman” (the guy is prolific), but it was quite enlightening in other ways:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.vice...om-coronavirus

It appears that this gentleman is using Kaufman and other conspiracy theorists on his channel to raise over a million pounds and counting from his loyal followers. So at least we now know why he’s doing it - money.

And by the way, Mr. Rose doesn’t claim that Kaufman is spreading legitimate scientific information. He is a supporter of free speech with no limitations - I.e. anyone can say anything.

You’re always telling people to think for themselves. Part of that process involves assessing the credibility of your sources. If you can’t explain why your source is credible in a simple and direct way, why should anyone pay you the least attention?
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[lrt's friend]

I found the following article quite interesting. It proposes an explanation for why the Spanish flu was most dangerous for young adults in 1918. I was aware of the age characteristic and thought there had to be a previous pandemic and yes there was in 1889/90. Here is the article.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...lts-180967178/

I have also learned that influenza pandemics are generational (they happen more than once every 100 years), which suggests that a degree of immunity dies off with each generation. If we survive influenza outbreaks, we build up immunity over our lifetimes to different strains but in old age our immune system fails.

As a society, we need to find a better way to deal with pandemics. Another will come and we cannot destroy the world economy with each outbreak. Travel is the main way of spreading pandemics and this is why the pandemic of 1889 was believed to be the first, since it was first time that people could easily travel by train and ocean liner. Previous influenza outbreaks did not have the same opportunities.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by migo

I was waiting for your response...I'm not done yet...and there's a lot more, if 'you' do your own research:

More UK Covid “experts” facing serious data manipulation charges:
https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2020/06...ation-charges/

Here is the source of said 'research'

Capture by harley613

From his bio:
My name is John Ward, and I am a 72 year old Brit living as a ‘permanent’ resident in France.

I was educated from 1953-1969 in a free education system that was, for much of that era, the envy of the world.

I studied History & Politics at Liverpool University, and social anthropology during a career in marketing communications research spanning thirty years. This extended education taught me that the vast majority of economists, politicians, civil servants, lawyers, accountants and business leaders prefer belief systems, process, numbers and money to the study of What People Need.

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[SidetrackedSue]

From the Architecture article:

Acoustic divisions have become more important while the family is crammed in together all day long, Idenburg noted. “The loft, the New York City typology, seems to be not the romantic thing at the moment. Everyone’s on Zoom calls.” A lack of privacy or the chance to move to a different room is harder to bear when bars, cafés, and stores can’t offer an escape.

My apartment has a formal dining room with butt-ugly double doors. We removed those and two other 'extra' doors when we moved in. So our living room and dining room flow into each other. My 'office' is a roll-top desk in the living room.

But it was too open for frequent calls so the doors are back on the dining room now and I have a second workstation at the table so I can Skype and Zoom in privacy. Bonus, the living room can be used by my husband while I'm working in the dining room.

[migo]

Originally Posted by Harley613

Here is the source of said 'research'

Capture by harley613

From his bio:
My name is John Ward, and I am a 72 year old Brit living as a ‘permanent’ resident in France.

I was educated from 1953-1969 in a free education system that was, for much of that era, the envy of the world.

I studied History & Politics at Liverpool University, and social anthropology during a career in marketing communications research spanning thirty years. This extended education taught me that the vast majority of economists, politicians, civil servants, lawyers, accountants and business leaders prefer belief systems, process, numbers and money to the study of What People Need.

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Good. We're just getting started then. Since you're so keen on not doing any research because you're so ignorantly content with 'the official narrative, I'll do it for you. [As a side question: Have you ever studied @ a University?]

From the International Tribunal for Natural Justice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bdpqQ5H4UY

Please note: If cognitive dissonance is an issue, you may wish to remain in your comfort bubble because the truth might put you in the hospital, it is not for 'normies' like yourself.

[Requin]

Thought-provoking article on initial Covid projections and lockdown measures that were (and continue to be) implemented.

Peter St. Onge: The worst-case scenario that closed Canada
Financial Post, June 25, 2020

https://business.financialpost.com/o...-closed-canada

Had we known the true scale and parameters of the threat we might have therefore avoided these tragedies with better-targeted policy. For example, COVID has killed far fewer Canadians under age 35 than traffic accidents normally do, while 80 per cent of Canadian COVID deaths have occurred in seniors’ centres. It may have been more prudent, and even saved more lives, to focus resources on safeguarding the elderly and immunocompromised instead of reckless economy-wide lockdowns.

[migo]

Originally Posted by Requin

Thought-provoking article on initial Covid projections and lockdown measures that were (and continue to be) implemented.

Peter St. Onge: The worst-case scenario that closed Canada
Financial Post, June 25, 2020

https://business.financialpost.com/o...-closed-canada

And who defines a scenario as 'worst case'? The WHO (World Health Organization)...down the rabbit hole we go!

Canada and the World Health Organization
“With its near universal membership and strong convening power, WHO is the primary multilateral organization able to mobilize and coordinate international action on global health issues…”
https://www.international.gc.ca/worl....aspx?lang=eng

Remember the “Fake” 2009 H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic: Manipulating the Data to Justify a Worldwide Public Health Emergency
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-h1...mergency/14901

Why The WHO Faked A Pandemic
https://www.forbes.com/2010/02/05/wo...l#3f93675c48e8

Statement of the World Health Organization on allegations of conflict of interest and 'fake' pandemic
https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news...c_20100122/en/

More to come...if necessary...

Now...Back to your regularly scheduled 'program-ing', always in-progress...

[lrt's friend]

COVID 19 is a bureaucrat's paradise. Building intricate rules that change regularly that have to be re-explained constantly. With each new phase, the rules become more complicated. And no Phase 4?? I guess nobody anticipates a real normal this year.

[lrt's friend]

Is there a valid reason why the Gatineau Parkways are still closed? How are outdoor activities a high risk? Restrictions such as this forces people either to stay home or concentrate more people than normal at other outdoor sites. It is time for federal employees to get back to work and do their jobs.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

It is time for federal employees to get back to work and do their jobs.

I'm working from home just fine. Where are you getting the idea that federal employees aren't working?

[YOWflier]

Incidentally, that question can easily be answered by ATIPing the number of employees on, and the number of hours each charged to, 699.

[Catenary]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Is there a valid reason why the Gatineau Parkways are still closed? How are outdoor activities a high risk? Restrictions such as this forces people either to stay home or concentrate more people than normal at other outdoor sites. It is time for federal employees to get back to work and do their jobs.

The parkways are closed to create space for social distancing, as mentioned on the NCC website: https://ncc-ccn.gc.ca/closures/covid...ineau-parkways. They're encouraging people to get out and use the space in the park by walking or cycling, rather than driving. This has been a popular idea with the cycling community for a while, who enjoys the few days between when the parkways close in the fall and when the snow starts to fall.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

It is time for federal employees to get back to work and do their jobs.

First of all, federal employees are working, to the best of their ability while at home.

Second, it's not realistic for a huge portion of the workforce to get back to work until schools re-open.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Catenary

The parkways are closed to create space for social distancing, as mentioned on the NCC website: https://ncc-ccn.gc.ca/closures/covid...ineau-parkways. They're encouraging people to get out and use the space in the park by walking or cycling, rather than driving. This has been a popular idea with the cycling community for a while, who enjoys the few days between when the parkways close in the fall and when the snow starts to fall.

I guess we are establishing a change of priorities for a federal park, to serve mostly the neighbouring population instead of the public at large. That is fine. But all those great hiking trails are no longer accessible to everybody.

[SidetrackedSue]

With Stage 3 approaching the idea of opening bars before schools is getting some blowback.

Bars have been outbreak centres in many countries, including Canada. In Montreal, public health asked all bar patrons to go get tested (not all patrons from a single bar, all bar patrons) in response to multiple outbreaks.

Texas shut their bars after their numbers started rising, Florida stopped the serving of alcohol in them. Even South Korea could trace outbreaks to a bar/club.

There is no reason to think that Ontarians will have a different outcome. An increase in cases, though, may delay a return to school which will affect the ability of people to return to work and/or work effectively from home.

It would be better to wait until into the autumn to open bars, letting schools open first and figure out the consequences of that.

This Ottawa morning interview was interesting but the part that jumped out to me was at the 4:18 mark when the epidemiologist said,

"It is hard to know what disconnect is happening between evidence and decision making." and called for the chief medical officer to step down.

https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio...s-open-schools

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by SidetrackedSue

With Stage 3 approaching the idea of opening bars before schools is getting some blowback.

Bars have been outbreak centres in many countries, including Canada. In Montreal, public health asked all bar patrons to go get tested (not all patrons from a single bar, all bar patrons) in response to multiple outbreaks.

Texas shut their bars after their numbers started rising, Florida stopped the serving of alcohol in them. Even South Korea could trace outbreaks to a bar/club.

There is no reason to think that Ontarians will have a different outcome. An increase in cases, though, may delay a return to school which will affect the ability of people to return to work and/or work effectively from home.

It would be better to wait until into the autumn to open bars, letting schools open first and figure out the consequences of that.

This Ottawa morning interview was interesting but the part that jumped out to me was at the 4:18 mark when the epidemiologist said,

"It is hard to know what disconnect is happening between evidence and decision making." and called for the chief medical officer to step down.

https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio...s-open-schools

Has it been made clear yet what kind of restrictions bars will be facing? Istm that the risks can be managed, but I've got the feeling Ontario is going to make the same mistakes we've seen in other jurisdictions. Stay tuned for photos of drinking crowds on the weekend.