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Old Posted Oct 23, 2018, 11:00 PM
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I didn't know laughing emojis was considered insulting. Thanks for the heads up.
When used in a condescending matter to dismiss someone else's opinion entirely, yes, that is arguably insulting. Just another heads up for you

Still hoping for this one to be saved, while there are many other similar boxes across the city, I always considered 270 to be one of the finer examples of it's kind. It's by far much more sleeker and classier when compared to it's neighbors, I would much rather see 245 Park go. But as much as I love this building, I'm eager to see what it's replacement might look like...


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I think it's a beautiful example of International Modernism (which I guess it kind of an acquired taste, it's often thought of as boring). It's the simplicity and honesty of the materials that make it interesting.

But if the design of the new tower is better then I'll accept that it's just part of progress.
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CB5 position on the Grand Central air rights transfer...


https://www.cb5.org/cb5m/resolutions.../resolution_2/


October 2018, Land Use, Housing & Zoning Committee


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Application N 190080 ZCM by JPMorgan Chase, Co. requesting a certification to allow a transfer of Air Rights from the landmarked Grand Central Terminal to 270 Park Avenue for development of a proposed office tower pursuant to Art 81.682 of the RZ


WHEREAS, Community Board Five (the “Community Board”) adopted recommendations in March 2017 on the Greater East Midtown rezoning proposal, reflecting community priorities including governance structure, public space, the use of funds created by transferred development rights for public improvements, and limitations on floor area ratio (FAR), (together, “CB5 Precedent”); and

WHEREAS, The Greater East Midtown rezoning proposal was adopted by the City Council on August 9, 2017 (the “Rezoning Plan”), after a comprehensive process consulting community stakeholders to inform rezoning, capital commitments, funding mechanisms and other policy decisions affecting East Midtown; and,

WHEREAS, The Applicant has not yet settled on or disclosed most of the critical details of the Proposed Project including the ultimate height, massing, gross square footage, architectural design, potential ground floor activation, the Proposed Project will be built to include 1,871,763 net sq. ft. of Class A office space (and 2,400,000 gross sq. ft. ), built to 21.6 FAR in the southern subarea of the receiving site, and 25 FAR in the Park Avenue subarea of the receiving site, averaging to 23.3 FAR for the entire receiving site achieved via the transfer 666,667 sq. ft. of unused development rights from Grand Central Terminal under the framework of the Rezoning Plan; and,

WHEREAS, The Applicant has indicated that the proposed development could be a 70 story tower; and

WHEREAS, Subject to the Rezoning Plan, the Proposed Project would result in a contribution of $42 million dollars to the East Midtown Public Realm Improvement Fund; and,

WHEREAS, Following the completion of the transaction, the granting site, Grand Central Terminal is mandated to dedicate $10.4 million to the continuing maintenance of the Grand Central Terminal, specifically for the restoration, maintenance and repairs of historic elements; and
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WHEREAS, The granting site must comply with the continuing maintenance plan approved and administered by LPC, including by issuing a report every five years; and

WHEREAS, After this transfer, the granting site will have 618,245 sq. ft. of TRD available; and

WHEREAS, The Proposed Project will widen adjacent sidewalk along Madison Avenue to accommodate the increased pedestrian flow and generate a 10,000 sq. ft privately owned public space (the “POPS”) as required by the Rezoning Plan; and,

WHEREAS, The applicant has intents to secure the perimeter of the new building with bollards, financed privately and without any public funding, a funding arrangement that Community Board Five commends and believes should become the norm; and,
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WHEREAS, The Transfer is an issue of first impression before the community board, as the first time development rights are being transferred according to the Rezoning Plan in order to construct a structure not previously possible under the previous zoning text and therefore raises important questions affecting the community; and,

WHEREAS, Under the Rezoning Plan’s Reasonable Worst Case Development Scenario, the redevelopment of the Existing Building was not contemplated, meaning its environmental impacts were not specifically studied and it does not trigger certain obligations under the Rezoning Plan such as the imperative to improve transit infrastructure in partnership with the Metropolitan Transit Authority (the “MTA”); and

WHEREAS, The Community Board is concerned about the Proposed Project’s environmental impacts including and especially the demolition, height, light and shadow impacts; the design and intended function of the Project’s required POPS; proposed improvements to the adjacent Metro North stations; and that the Project is a missed opportunity to secure MTA improvements as intended by the Rezoning Plan; and,

WHEREAS, The Community Board regrets the loss of the Existing Building, which is an architecturally significant mid-century structure designed by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill’s Natalie de Blois and Gordon Bunshaft; and,
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WHEREAS, The Community Board recognizes that the Proposed Transfer will increase the Applicant’s Class A office space from the current 1,204,998 sq. ft. to 1,871,763 sq. ft., which will, according to the Applicant, allow them to locate their headquarters in East Midtown indefinitely and is pleased that the Rezoning Plan is beginning to work as intended by keeping business in the Manhattan commercial core; therefore be it

RESOLVED, Given that the site was not identified by the NYC Department of City Planning and therefore was not studied in any iteration of the Great East Midtown rezoning EIS or EAS, lack of factual information prevents any informed opinion to be established, therefore Community Board Five requests that a number of steps be taken to enable best zoning and planning practices, including

- a transit improvements requirements study for the site, had it been included in the original rezoning proposal

- a full shadow study and its impact to open space, parks, POPS and other light sensitive resources;

- a demolition environmental impact study and remediation plan

- a traffic impact study during construction

- a close assessment of the use of mechanical space so as to avoid any hollow mechanical voids, an issue of particular concern given difference between the gross and net square footage for the development (2.4M sq. ft. vs 1.8M sq. ft.); and further be it,

RESOLVED, Community Board Five looks forward to continued engagement with the Applicant about the Proposed Project and anticipates close collaboration on all of the concerns raised in this resolution, ensuring that the Proposed Project accords with CB5 Precedent and engaging with relevant city agencies to ensure that the Zoning Plan adequately supports the community with sufficient environmental assessments and public contributions now that we are engaging with a real world use case.
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2018, 11:28 PM
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Is 390 complete yet?
A look down from 270...

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It still amazes me JPMorgan will spend the money to knock down an existing 700+ foot skyscraper to build a new, bigger one, instead of just move into 2WTC or something. I guess they want their own customized office space though and have more money than they know what to do with so it's okay.
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This is actually one of the more beautiful mid-century towers, would be sad to see it go.

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It still amazes me JPMorgan will spend the money to knock down an existing 700+ foot skyscraper to build a new, bigger one, instead of just move into 2WTC or something. I guess they want their own customized office space though and have more money than they know what to do with so it's okay.
More likely a park avenue address is just that valuable to them.
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This is actually one of the more beautiful mid-century towers, would be sad to see it go.
Yea it's alright, it started the glass box trend. I'm more excited about what's coming though.


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More likely a park avenue address is just that valuable to them.
Don't they already occupy this building?
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Yeah, that's the point, they wanna keep their location.
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Yeah, that's the point, they wanna keep their location.
Oh okay I thought you meant them wanting to move to Park Avenue.

I guess the current office space just isn't enough.
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2018, 4:45 PM
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It still amazes me JPMorgan will spend the money to knock down an existing 700+ foot skyscraper to build a new, bigger one, instead of just move into 2WTC or something. I guess they want their own customized office space though and have more money than they know what to do with so it's okay.
They own the building here, and moving Downtown is not the same as just moving across the street. There's a distinction between Downtown and Midtown, they're not always interchangeable. Chase did consider all options, including building a 2 tower complex at the Hudson Yards (50 & 55), but couldn't get the tax breaks from the city they wanted. The rezoning of midtown east made it possible to build a much larger headquarters on this site, which they already own.


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JPMorgan Chase Wants To Build Two Massive West Side Towers


By Hana R. Alberts
Oct 17, 2014





The Hudson Yards mega-complex, currently rising over the rail yards on the far West Side, is the sole catalyst for literally dozens of new developments in the area, made possible in part by the creation of a special district that loosens zoning restrictions and encourages construction. The latest project to materialize out of these incentives isn't definite yet, but gosh darn it, it's a big one. The Times reports that JPMorgan Chase is in talks with the city and state to build a $6.5 billion campus on 33rd Street between Tenth and Eleventh avenues. The HQ would include two high-rise towers with a combined square footage "the equivalent of about two Empire State Buildings." Wowza. They'd pack 16,000 staffers inside.

Negotiations are complex and ongoing, and involve how many concessions Chase would get for building the towers, boosting the economy, and being a major employer, and also just how much Chase would have to pay out for development rights and other costs. Stay tuned.


https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/17/n...manhattan.html


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JPMorgan Chase Decides To Not Build Hudson Yards Tower


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The Times is now reporting that the financial giant decided that it wants to stay put. Building a new 62-story and 40-story tower on 33rd Street between Tenth and Eleventh avenues—also known as 50 and 55 Hudson Yards, two of the Related-developed towers coming to the area—would just be too much effort. Actually, it doesn't seem like Chase really had a choice. Chase didn't meet Related's October 15 deadline to seal the deal, so Related sold a stake in 55 Hudson Yards to a Japanese company. Related instead offered Chase the opportunity to build 50 Hudson Yards and occupy some of 30 Hudson Yards, where Time Warner will be located.

Additionally, the city wasn't too keen on giving Chase $1 billion in tax breaks in the form of a subsidy package, on top of an existing $600 million in property tax breaks. So Chase considered other options, including moving downtown, but they ultimately decided to stay on the East Side.


https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/29/n...s&emc=rss&_r=0

One Vanderbilt came into play briefly...


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S.L. Green Proposes to Trade Its One Vanderbilt for Two Other Towers
J.P. Morgan Chase would hand over two Midtown towers for the S.L. Green building, now being built



By Peter Grant
December 10, 2016


Landlord SL Green Realty Corp., which pulled off one of New York’s biggest office deals of 2016, is again sensing opportunity in the financial-services sector.

SL Green has proposed a complicated deal to J.P. Morgan Chase that essentially would have the bank swap its two headquarters buildings, 383 Madison Ave. and 270 Park Ave., for SL Green’s 1.75 million-square-foot One Vanderbilt office tower that broke ground in October, according to people familiar with the matter.

The bank has been considering the plan, but so far negotiations haven’t commenced, these people said.

...Still, J.P. Morgan made it clear it would consider the right deal two years ago when it negotiated a package of incentives with the city and the state that would enable it to move into Related Cos.’ Hudson Square development on Manhattan’s far West Side. That deal collapsed partly because not enough subsidies were offered.

SL Green might be joined by a partner in its efforts to lure J.P. Morgan to One Vanderbilt. In an investor conference last Monday, SL Green chief executive Marc Holliday said the company was negotiating to sell a 28% stake in One Vanderbilt to a foreign investor.

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J.P. Morgan Chase owns its two headquarters buildings at 383 Madison Ave. and 270 Park Ave. and leases space at 277 Park Ave.

And now we arrive and the current solution, building it's own headquarters.
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Norman Foster has been selected as architect for 270 Park. Can't wait for renderings.

JPMorgan turns to Apple HQ architect for new Manhattan tower

JPMorgan Chase & Co.’s Jamie Dimon has said he wants to build a new world-class headquarters for the 21st century. Now he’s hiring the architect behind Apple Inc.’s futuristic offices to design the new Park Avenue tower.

https://www.crainsnewyork.com/real-e...anhattan-tower
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Let's hope Foster doesn't give us another bloated box like 50 Hudson Yards.
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A Shard like design would be ideal. The impact would be profound on the skyline.
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Fair enough (i.e. @antinimby...perhaps you and I might respectfully part company on that particular argumen) ; but I'm looking to see if JPM's either gonna make a statement with their own World HQ's, or regurgitate the usual bottom line-driven, value-engineered corporate modernist dildo.
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Foster's NYC designs have been increasingly conservative over the past 2 decades. I'm not holding out much hope, but it'd be nice to get a return to the early 2000's when he was churning out the likes of The Kissing WTC Twins, Hearst Tower and the original 2 WTC.

Oceanwide Center in San Francisco for example is stunning, but it is not a bank's headquarters. When you look at his recent office towers, they are not as outstanding. CITC Philly, 425 Park, 50 Hudson Yards...
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It would be great if Larry sold JPMC the rights to 2 WTC's design.
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It would be great if Larry sold JPMC the rights to 2 WTC's design.
I was thinking the same. Just modify the base to cater to the parcel, possibly shrink it a tad bit, and yeah... a winning design!
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Foster is a hit or miss IMO but still excited to see it. I wonder when renderings will be released
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