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Originally Posted by ChelseaFC
This is confusing. Not sure why you're so against LOCAL traffic. If the only cars that ever traveled Fair Oaks were from South Pas and San Marino, there would be ZERO traffic in our city.
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I didn't say I was against local traffic. And by local traffic, in that quote you were referencing, I mean it in that "non-express lane" way, meaning having the option to access the broad area between the 210 and 10 freeways; I also meant by "local," not just South Pas and San Marino residents, but northern Alhambra and City of San Gabriel residents too:
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Look at the gap the tunnel would close; it's 4.5 miles. Again, it would take care of through traffic, and by that I mean from drivers who are already coming from points south of the 10 and north of the 210, but anyone in the area in between would still have to drive on surface streets, just like now. I doubt most northern Alhambra and San Gabriel residents wanting to get to Pasadena and Glendale would drive SOUTH to the 10 to access the tunnel to go back north. They would just drive surface streets through San Marino and South Pas to get to Pasadena, just like they already do now.
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Originally Posted by ChelseaFC
Dude you're missing the whole point of the tunnel. No on-ramps or off-ramps is what you WANT.
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I think you missed my point, in that in terms of "better" freeway access, this tunnel serves no purpose to the locals (South Pas, San Marino, northern Alhambra, etc. residents), which I more or less explained why in my above paragraph. But yeah, I wouldn't want any on or off ramps to this tunnel, because then that would increase east-west traffic through our area, and would involve serious trenching and digging for those ramps.
As a side bar, the 710 tunnel plan also includes a possible Huntington Drive access/exit point, which I don't like at all. Of course that would involve digging and trenching where Huntington Drive would meet the proposed tunnel.
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Originally Posted by ChelseaFC
As for the ventilation "shafts", I don't think they are what you think they are. I think people have this image of ventilation ducts being these turn-of-the-century 5-story monstrosities with carbon monoxide pouring out. With today's technology, they can make them very inconspicuous and wouldn't look all that different from a simple grate in the ground or rainwater gutter.
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These are some renderings taken from the 710 tunnel final report, which says that these ventilation towers might be as high as 100 feet:
It's possible that they would try to somehow disguise them, but that still doesn't sit well with me:
Fake Water Tower ventilation tower
Mission Revival ventilation tower
Crafstman ventilation tower
They'd also try to screen these with trees. And of course there'd have to be emergency access passageways.
In the end, I think the tunnel is more trouble than it's worth. When the Alameda East rail corridor is completed, that would take away even more big rig traffic off the 710 freeway. Plus, the only city that's really extremely for the tunnel is Alhambra, which in my opinion, has done NOTHING to mitigate its traffic problems. True, the bottleneck created by where the 710 ends at Valley Blvd. is awful, but Alhambra hasn't done anything like synchronizing traffic lights or other measures to relieve traffic. I've always thought that the 710 should at least be extended north to Mission Road, and that would relieve some of the bottleneck at Valley.
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it helps to have fewer and better plazas rather than multiple underdeveloped ones. occasionally developers will attempt to put one in the middle of buildings for the specific tenants of those buildings to use, instead of constantly pulling people off the street. sometimes this works out well, but it's really important to have plazas put to good use.
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