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Old Posted Jul 10, 2020, 7:49 PM
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^ Some aesthetic variety at the SW corner would be nice, and so easy to do. Picture stepped color shades, instead of one bland color, to mimic the spiraling setbacks on the main tower.
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2020, 7:55 PM
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This is already looking fantastic, ten times better than that ugly vista tower.
I disagree about Vista Tower but yea this is the better looking of the two, doesn't look too value engineered.
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2020, 11:52 PM
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This is already looking fantastic, ten times better than that ugly vista tower.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2020, 2:19 AM
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This one has a ways to go. Kinda midling to be honest.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2020, 2:24 AM
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This is already looking fantastic, ten times better than that ugly vista tower.
Right. Try another stab.

Vista eats One for lunch.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2020, 4:51 AM
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Gotta say, as much as I admire this buildings design, that all flush glass portion is rather lame. Such a cop out. Maybe it will be less unimpressive when the entirety around it is completed.
I think the upper part of it will have aluminum fins, these show in pretty much all the renderings.

These will probably be clipped on later... remember how boring Gr333n looked for months until they got the black fins up? Now it looks awesome.
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Second tower crane jumped today.
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Second tower crane jumped today.
thanks for the update i gotta ride by and check in on this beauty
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I disagree about Vista Tower but yea this is the better looking of the two, doesn't look too value engineered.
What was VE'd on Vista? How is OCS less VE'd?
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What was VE'd on Vista? How is OCS less VE'd?
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Looking back that sounded snarky but I meant it in earnest. I never cared for any of the various iterations of the base. I'm a fan of structures that follow their exterior form more or less to the street. It's what makes WPE so good. Imo the whole thing would have looked much better as two towers on a plaza with (yes, expensive and deep) underground floors for retail and parking. But maybe I will be pleasantly surprised - I haven't been to the site in quite a while...
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This building has some ugly glass, having too much trapped stress, thus not flat.

Thank you spyguy and harryc for the nice images.
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2020, 5:29 PM
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What was VE'd on Vista? How is OCS less VE'd?
While it may have come off that way I wasn't trying to imply that it was, I was simply saying that OSC is probably the better looking of the two and doesn't look too VE'd.
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This building has some ugly glass, having too much trapped stress, thus not flat.

Thank you spyguy and harryc for the nice images.
Speaking of oil-canning glass.

I recently had a chance to talk to someone who installs commercial glazing and I asked them about the "oil canning" effect. I thought some folks here might be interested

They said that oil canning is going to happen on all glass skyscrapers due to pressure differences between the outside air and the inside air. He said oil canning can be reduced by using thicker glass but less oil canning can actually be an indication of a cheaper less efficient glazing system not a more expensive one. The reason that's the case is because of multiple pane options. A more expense and more efficient triple pane system may use thinner individual glass panes than a less efficient double pane system and thus see more oil canning than the cheaper option.
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Oil canning is the new black.


Learn to like it.
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Who's responsible for damaged or unfit glass sheets. Is it fully on the glazing company or is it case to case such as installation, mother nature or does the building itself have insurance on all of it. Just thinking of Vista and all the empty windows during construction.
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Speaking of oil-canning glass.

I recently had a chance to talk to someone who installs commercial glazing and I asked them about the "oil canning" effect. I thought some folks here might be interested

They said that oil canning is going to happen on all glass skyscrapers due to pressure differences between the outside air and the inside air. He said oil canning can be reduced by using thicker glass but less oil canning can actually be an indication of a cheaper less efficient glazing system not a more expensive one. The reason that's the case is because of multiple pane options. A more expense and more efficient triple pane system may use thinner individual glass panes than a less efficient double pane system and thus see more oil canning than the cheaper option.
Is this something that will be resolved when the building is sealed and the interior climate is controlled?
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Is this something that will be resolved when the building is sealed and the interior climate is controlled?
This topic has been discussed ad nauseum and yes, we do not have any idea how the glass will look when complete until the entire facade system is complete. Think of the pressure, for example, of the down wind side of Vista when the wind is coming hard out of the NW? No amount of plywood around a skip is going to prevent any serious amount of air from entering the floor and inflating the facade system like a balloon.

In fact, it's likely that the building will look totally different on any given day based on weather conditions alone until the facade is totally sealed up. Ideally the system is designed to have the least oil canning when a constant light positive pressure is applied to it. Again, factors like the stack effect can exert tons of pressure on the upper floors (or the front doors as was the case with the Sears) and the facade system needs to take that into account. Until the whole enclosure exists you will not see the final look.
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Old Posted Jul 16, 2020, 4:05 PM
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This topic has been discussed ad nauseum and yes, we do not have any idea how the glass will look when complete until the entire facade system is complete. Think of the pressure, for example, of the down wind side of Vista when the wind is coming hard out of the NW? No amount of plywood around a skip is going to prevent any serious amount of air from entering the floor and inflating the facade system like a balloon.

In fact, it's likely that the building will look totally different on any given day based on weather conditions alone until the facade is totally sealed up. Ideally the system is designed to have the least oil canning when a constant light positive pressure is applied to it. Again, factors like the stack effect can exert tons of pressure on the upper floors (or the front doors as was the case with the Sears) and the facade system needs to take that into account. Until the whole enclosure exists you will not see the final look.
We could copy / paste this response for every new building when this question / comment comes up - which it does every...single...time...

the glass framing will shore up, building will pressurize, it will smooth out
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