HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #1901  
Old Posted Sep 25, 2020, 6:04 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 12,114
Groundbreaking for the Parkway tunnel, part of Stage 2 West of the Confederation Line.

The project will include two new tunnel sections;
  • the 3 kilometer Parkway tunnel between Dominion (to be renamed Kichi Sibi) station and Lincoln Fields station, that will run parallel to the Sir John A. MacDonald Parkway for about a kilometer, before crossing over 150 meters south-west to run under the Byron Linear Park, a former streetcar route. This new tunnel will solve the 30+ year service gap of the Transitway by providing two new open trench stations at Sherbourne and New Orchard.
  • a 270 meter tunnel will be built in Connaught Park to link the Moodie branch flyover, just past Lincoln Fields, to the Queensview station trench.

A third 300 meter tunnel at Baseline station (to be renamed Algonquin station, for the college it serves) was roughed in about a decade ago, which will become the system's fifth underground station.


https://twitter.com/JR_Ottawa/status...57648396816385

Here's a map showing the location of the two new cut-and-cover tunnels.


https://ottawa.ca/en/planning-develo...ng-2020-update

Video Link

Last edited by J.OT13; Sep 25, 2020 at 6:27 PM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1902  
Old Posted Sep 28, 2020, 12:12 PM
caveat.doctor's Avatar
caveat.doctor caveat.doctor is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 236
En route to Edmonton, spotted from a VIA train passing Kingston yesterday afternoon:

Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1903  
Old Posted Sep 28, 2020, 1:23 PM
Acajack's Avatar
Acajack Acajack is online now
Wears a grey cowboy hat
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Canada (see below*)
Posts: 48,358
Quote:
Originally Posted by J.OT13 View Post
Groundbreaking for the Parkway tunnel, part of Stage 2 West of the Confederation Line.

The project will include two new tunnel sections;
  • the 3 kilometer Parkway tunnel between Dominion (to be renamed Kichi Sibi) station and Lincoln Fields station, that will run parallel to the Sir John A. MacDonald Parkway for about a kilometer, before crossing over 150 meters south-west to run under the Byron Linear Park, a former streetcar route. This new tunnel will solve the 30+ year service gap of the Transitway by providing two new open trench stations at Sherbourne and New Orchard.
  • a 270 meter tunnel will be built in Connaught Park to link the Moodie branch flyover, just past Lincoln Fields, to the Queensview station trench.

A third 300 meter tunnel at Baseline station (to be renamed Algonquin station, for the college it serves) was roughed in about a decade ago, which will become the system's fifth underground station.


https://twitter.com/JR_Ottawa/status...57648396816385

Here's a map showing the location of the two new cut-and-cover tunnels.


https://ottawa.ca/en/planning-develo...ng-2020-update

Video Link
Holy cow I never realized the main west end tunnel ("parkway") would be longer than the downtown tunnel.
__________________
*An assembly of shareholders that likes to pretend it is a close-knit family, in order to maintain access to grandpa's inheritance.

Still a really nice group of people to spend Christmas dinner with, though.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1904  
Old Posted Sep 28, 2020, 1:33 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 12,114
Quote:
Originally Posted by caveat.doctor View Post
En route to Edmonton, spotted from a VIA train passing Kingston yesterday afternoon:

I'm a bit disappointed Edmonton didn't commission longer trains (50 to 60 meters) instead of coupling to short 30 meter sections. As in the case in Ottawa, with our permanently coupled 48 meter cars (for 96 meter trains), there's a lot of wasted space with two middle cabs, that will never be used.

The original plan was to run single 48 meter cars late evenings and weekends, but it was determined that coupling and uncoupling the train sets was not feasible.

How long are the Valley Line's platforms? What's the ultimate length of the platforms and/or trains? Sorry if I've asked this before.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1905  
Old Posted Sep 28, 2020, 3:02 PM
swimmer_spe swimmer_spe is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 3,594
Quote:
Originally Posted by J.OT13 View Post
I'm a bit disappointed Edmonton didn't commission longer trains (50 to 60 meters) instead of coupling to short 30 meter sections. As in the case in Ottawa, with our permanently coupled 48 meter cars (for 96 meter trains), there's a lot of wasted space with two middle cabs, that will never be used.

The original plan was to run single 48 meter cars late evenings and weekends, but it was determined that coupling and uncoupling the train sets was not feasible.


How long are the Valley Line's platforms? What's the ultimate length of the platforms and/or trains? Sorry if I've asked this before.
Maybe the next purchase of rolling stock will see longer cars.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1906  
Old Posted Sep 28, 2020, 3:28 PM
hipster duck's Avatar
hipster duck hipster duck is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Toronto
Posts: 2,389
Ottawa’s choice to build its stations around low floor LRVs was a very shortsighted decision. The system is a fully grade-separated metro basically running streetcars.

I hope they solve this issue in future LRV orders. Maybe some kind of unit that’s the full length of the platforms (96 m), with some creative positioning of the trucks and doors so that you can have high floor sections above the trucks and accessible entrances in the low floor sections.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1907  
Old Posted Sep 28, 2020, 3:51 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 12,114
Quote:
Originally Posted by hipster duck View Post
Ottawa’s choice to build its stations around low floor LRVs was a very shortsighted decision. The system is a fully grade-separated metro basically running streetcars.

I hope they solve this issue in future LRV orders. Maybe some kind of unit that’s the full length of the platforms (96 m), with some creative positioning of the trucks and doors so that you can have high floor sections above the trucks and accessible entrances in the low floor sections.
That's my hope. We just have to wait another 30+ years...
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1908  
Old Posted Sep 28, 2020, 3:52 PM
scryer scryer is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 1,519
Quote:
Originally Posted by swimmer_spe View Post
Maybe the next purchase of rolling stock will see longer cars.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hipster duck View Post
Ottawa’s choice to build its stations around low floor LRVs was a very shortsighted decision. The system is a fully grade-separated metro basically running streetcars.

I hope they solve this issue in future LRV orders. Maybe some kind of unit that’s the full length of the platforms (96 m), with some creative positioning of the trucks and doors so that you can have high floor sections above the trucks and accessible entrances in the low floor sections.
I would like to see their next set of trains be articulated like Vancouver's new Skytrain Mark III's.
__________________
There is a housing crisis, and we simply need to speak up about it.

Pinterest - I use this social media platform to easily add pictures into my posts on this forum. Plus there are great architecture and city photos out there as well.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1909  
Old Posted Sep 28, 2020, 6:28 PM
swimmer_spe swimmer_spe is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 3,594
Quote:
Originally Posted by scryer View Post
I would like to see their next set of trains be articulated like Vancouver's new Skytrain Mark III's.
Or like Toronto's Rocket subway cars.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1910  
Old Posted Oct 2, 2020, 4:42 AM
midriser midriser is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by J.OT13 View Post
I'm a bit disappointed Edmonton didn't commission longer trains (50 to 60 meters) instead of coupling to short 30 meter sections. As in the case in Ottawa, with our permanently coupled 48 meter cars (for 96 meter trains), there's a lot of wasted space with two middle cabs, that will never be used.

The original plan was to run single 48 meter cars late evenings and weekends, but it was determined that coupling and uncoupling the train sets was not feasible.

How long are the Valley Line's platforms? What's the ultimate length of the platforms and/or trains? Sorry if I've asked this before.
The variant of the Flexity Freedom that will be used in Edmonton is longer than the variant currently in use in Kitchener-Waterloo and eventually on the Eglinton Crosstown. It is 42 metres (7 modules) long rather than 30 metres (5 modules) long. The plan is to operate the vehicles in pairs like in Ottawa, for a total train length of 84 metres.

Not as long as two Citadis Spirts but a decent length for a street level tramway. Not sure if the vehicles only have a cab on one end like the Eglinton variant, as that would result in less wasted space but also force permanent coupled operation (like the Confederation Line ended up being anyway, as you said).

The platforms on the downtown portion of the line are limited to a little over 84 metres due to short block lengths. I do recall reading that the suburban stations (including the elevated Davies station) would be built at 120-125 metre lengths to eventually accommodate 3 car trains, but I may be misremembering because that doesn’t make much sense if the downtown section remains a limiting factor - unless some streets are closed to accommodate platform lengthening. Did a bit of a search just now but couldn’t find much. Perhaps an Edmonton forumer could chime in haha.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1911  
Old Posted Oct 2, 2020, 12:55 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 12,114
Quote:
Originally Posted by midriser View Post
The variant of the Flexity Freedom that will be used in Edmonton is longer than the variant currently in use in Kitchener-Waterloo and eventually on the Eglinton Crosstown. It is 42 metres (7 modules) long rather than 30 metres (5 modules) long. The plan is to operate the vehicles in pairs like in Ottawa, for a total train length of 84 metres.

Not as long as two Citadis Spirts but a decent length for a street level tramway. Not sure if the vehicles only have a cab on one end like the Eglinton variant, as that would result in less wasted space but also force permanent coupled operation (like the Confederation Line ended up being anyway, as you said).

The platforms on the downtown portion of the line are limited to a little over 84 metres due to short block lengths. I do recall reading that the suburban stations (including the elevated Davies station) would be built at 120-125 metre lengths to eventually accommodate 3 car trains, but I may be misremembering because that doesn’t make much sense if the downtown section remains a limiting factor - unless some streets are closed to accommodate platform lengthening. Did a bit of a search just now but couldn’t find much. Perhaps an Edmonton forumer could chime in haha.
Thanks for the info!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1912  
Old Posted Oct 3, 2020, 10:35 AM
biguc's Avatar
biguc biguc is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: pinkoland
Posts: 10,526
Quote:
Originally Posted by hipster duck View Post
Ottawa’s choice to build its stations around low floor LRVs was a very shortsighted decision. The system is a fully grade-separated metro basically running streetcars.

I hope they solve this issue in future LRV orders. Maybe some kind of unit that’s the full length of the platforms (96 m), with some creative positioning of the trucks and doors so that you can have high floor sections above the trucks and accessible entrances in the low floor sections.

The big advantage of low-floor, grade-seaparated systems is that they don't have to stay grade separated. In suburban areas, or even areas with easier terrain, they can break out and branch off into a number of tram/streetcar lines as is appropriate. But once you automate the system you eliminate that possibility. It's definitely a confusing choice--there's no good reason to use low-floor rolling stock on a line like this. I'd love to know what they were thinking.


That said, low-floor LRVs don't have to be cramped and narrow. The Basques make a nice low floor that's popular around Spain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAF_Urbos#CAF_Urbos_2

They use these in the Seville Metro, which, like the Confederation Line, is low floor and grade separated. I thought the trains were surprisingly spacious; CAF seems to make wide-profile models. Seville might have just dug bigger tunnels.
__________________
no
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1913  
Old Posted Oct 3, 2020, 12:41 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 12,114
The original intent was to run partly surface in the suburbs (at grade crossings), but after a major OC bus-VIA train accident in September 2017, the City decided to make all future O-Train extensions 100% grade separated.

There might have been cost-saving reasons as well, with LRT being able to climb steeper grades and turn sharper corners, making the tunnel cheaper.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1914  
Old Posted Oct 3, 2020, 4:02 PM
swimmer_spe swimmer_spe is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 3,594
Quote:
Originally Posted by J.OT13 View Post
The original intent was to run partly surface in the suburbs (at grade crossings), but after a major OC bus-VIA train accident in September 2017, the City decided to make all future O-Train extensions 100% grade separated.

There might have been cost-saving reasons as well, with LRT being able to climb steeper grades and turn sharper corners, making the tunnel cheaper.
This is a case of planning one thing and then the realities set in and then changing what the plan is. There is no reason the current LRVs cannot handle the loads. There is no reason they cannot source longer LRVs.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1915  
Old Posted Oct 5, 2020, 1:15 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 12,114
Stage 2 Ottawa O-Train images.

Tunney's Pasture, Confederation Line's current western terminus. A new bridge will be built to replace the berm separating the rail line from the busway.







https://twitter.com/rail613/status/1312810059429228544

Bayview, transfer between the Confederation and Trillium Lines. Trillium will be double tracked between Bayview and Beach Street, about 1.5 kilometers.





https://twitter.com/rail613/status/1312816277090697217

Gladstone, a future infill station along the newly double tracked section.




https://twitter.com/rail613/status/1312823710018154503

New Queensway overpass, allowing for double tracking and multi-use pathways on both sides.


https://twitter.com/rail613/status/1312832020473688068

South Keys, the transfer point between the main Trillium Line and airport spur. Transfers between the Trillium Line and South-East Transitway are also possible here (one of two "official" transfer points, with Greenboro one stop north, one of the original 2001 O-Train stations, being the other).

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMatth69 View Post
Went over at South Keys last Thrusday to check over the construction of the station, foundation works are still ongoing:



Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1916  
Old Posted Oct 10, 2020, 12:31 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 12,114
Carleton University station. Demolishing the pedestrian underpass south of the station to build wider infrastructure as part of Stage 2.



https://twitter.com/deellisd/status/1314708731586842624
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1917  
Old Posted Oct 10, 2020, 5:15 PM
scryer scryer is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 1,519
I woke up this morning and Winnipeg decided to surprise the hell out of me with some awesome concepts for their BRT system:









You can read all about it here on this pdf from the city. Like I said in the MB forums, what sent me over the moon is that the city is prioritizing the downtown connection like the elevated transitway into Union station.
__________________
There is a housing crisis, and we simply need to speak up about it.

Pinterest - I use this social media platform to easily add pictures into my posts on this forum. Plus there are great architecture and city photos out there as well.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1918  
Old Posted Oct 10, 2020, 7:11 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 12,114
Looks great. Glad to see Winnipeg stepping-up. I hope they build it in a way to allow for easy conversion to rail in the future.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1919  
Old Posted Oct 10, 2020, 8:27 PM
esquire's Avatar
esquire esquire is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 27,658
Quote:
Originally Posted by J.OT13 View Post
Looks great. Glad to see Winnipeg stepping-up. I hope they build it in a way to allow for easy conversion to rail in the future.
Transit has prioritized designing the system to accommodate eventual conversion to rail (the first leg to the University of Manitoba was built that way), but I would think that is something that won't happen until the distant future.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1920  
Old Posted Oct 11, 2020, 2:09 PM
Coldrsx's Avatar
Coldrsx Coldrsx is online now
Community Guy
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 56,651
'Truly moving forward': One more hurdle cleared for west LRT
Author of the article:Lauren Boothby

(Fuchsia West 2021 start - Blue u/c opening mid-2020)

https://mastermaq.s3.amazonaws.com/p...ew/lrt_wse.gif

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/loc...-to-start-2021
__________________
"The destructive effects of automobiles are much less a cause than a symptom of our incompetence at city building" - Jane Jacobs 1961ish

Wake me up when I can see skyscrapers
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 6:36 PM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.