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Maybe I misunderstand the Niagara Falls retail market, but does this not leave the city without a traditional, full-line department store? For years that Bay space was a branch of my hometown's own Robinson's chain...The Bay picked it up I'm thinking in the early 90s when they bought up most of the Robinson's locations. So now, if you want a Bay/Sears type experience you'll need to go to St Catherines?

Back to Rossberg's--approximately when did it close? By the exterior it seems to have been alive into the 70s--I'm guessing probably into the 80s as it doesn't look that badly decayed.
People go to St.Catharines because it's the retail/commercial/cultural centre of Niagara..
Why is there not a St Catharines thread?
I'm not as interestd in "touristy" news as I am about development in St Catharines.
Go St kitts!!!!!

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Old Posted Aug 30, 2008, 2:58 AM
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^ like what? The condo at the OMB?

Nobody has any info on Boulevard Place, so outside of these two, I don't know what else is actually on the drawing board for St. Catharines.
Boulevard Place.?...there are alot more residential developments taking place in the Garden City then there are in Niagara Falls
Brock has a variety of faculty buildings proposed or about to be built.
The NHS building of a new hospital
The growth in the Louth area, along the QE
The pen centre stores and the close link the City of Thorold has with St Catharines....amalgamation?
All the new retail outlets that make St. Catharines the retail hub are simply ignored
Hardly any talk discussion on the arts centre, the proposed new Ice Dogs arena which threaders were all giddy about because the Falls was to get an OHA franchise...Wakeup! who would go to the Falls for a hockey game?
The Government has deemed St Catharines an urban growth area...GET IT!?
Highway REconstruction along QE
And yes the merits of keeping the Police building in St Catharines rather than the boonies out by the falls...
ENOUGH I'VE SAID MY PEACE!
P.S.I can appreciate the Falls people getting excited but really the rest of us are ho hum because its all for the tourists, not for you not for me
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Boulevard Place.?...there are alot more residential developments taking place in the Garden City then there are in Niagara Falls
Brock has a variety of faculty buildings proposed or about to be built.
The NHS building of a new hospital
The growth in the Louth area, along the QE
The pen centre stores and the close link the City of Thorold has with St Catharines....amalgamation?
All the new retail outlets that make St. Catharines the retail hub are simply ignored
Hardly any talk discussion on the arts centre, the proposed new Ice Dogs arena which threaders were all giddy about because the Falls was to get an OHA franchise...Wakeup! who would go to the Falls for a hockey game?
The Government has deemed St Catharines an urban growth area...GET IT!?
Highway REconstruction along QE
And yes the merits of keeping the Police building in St Catharines rather than the boonies out by the falls...
ENOUGH I'VE SAID MY PEACE!
P.S.I can appreciate the Falls people getting excited but really the rest of us are ho hum because its all for the tourists, not for you not for me
I love St Catharines and enjoy many of it's amenities including retail and the arts and culture when they are completed. I consider myself a citizen of the Niagara Region (since about 80% of my taxes go to the Region) and enjoy and taking advantage of what the entire Region has to offer.

However, rather than just throwing out broad statements I would like to offer some following facts:

Niagara Falls has been designated as the Tourist and entertainment hub of the Niagara Region by the Ontario Government.

Without resorting to a shopping list, within the City Limits, Niagara Falls has far more attractions than any other City in the Region.

Niagara Falls has a much higher growth rate than St Catharines, population or otherwise.

For example;

Household construction in Niagara Falls during the period of the last Census
(2006) was 8.7% of the population of 82,184. St Catharines was 7.6% of its population of 131,982. Higher in numbers for St Catharines but not as a growth trend.

However, for St Catharines to grow will need to amalgamate with Thorold but
before that occurs, there is currently some talk of the entire Region amalgamating into one City. (Which is probably overdue).

During the period from 1996 to 2006 St Catharines population increase was 1,053 people. (130,929 to 131.982). As a comparison, Niagara Falls population increased by from 76,917 to 82,184 during that same period.

QEW expansion was not justified on the basis of growth within the City of St Catharines but the number of cars that needed to be moved past St Catharines. It's something that the citizens of St Catharines should not take credit for any more than they should for the Brock University expansion or Niagara Falls should take for the new $1.2 Billion tunnel project or the new $38 million Table Rock renovation. (It belongs to all of us)

Finally, new economic development and approved new construction in Niagara Falls totals almost $9.0 Billion as compared to St Catharines at $841 Million. (Number taken from The City of St Cathaines annual report and the Niagara Falls City site). This does not count the retail expansion slated for the Souh end of Niagara Falls
which will triple in the next two years.
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Boulevard Place.?...there are alot more residential developments taking place in the Garden City then there are in Niagara Falls
Let's not forget this is SKYSCRAPERpage.com. The majority of the nerds here are really interested in skyscrapers. That's why it's natural to gravitate towards the Port Place and Boulevard Place condominiums when discussing St. Catharines.

Actually, come to think about it, what's being built along Fourth Ave across from Welland Vale? Is that another condominium building or what? I haven't been recently so an update would be greatly appreciated.

These are the main things I think most of us would be interested in, not a new big box store like Michael's.

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the close link the City of Thorold has with St Catharines....amalgamation?
has any politician even suggested that in recent history?

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The Government has deemed St Catharines an urban growth area...GET IT!?
Sure... but where are the developers? Just because the Ontario government deems it so, doesn't mean the developers will come. I'll believe it when there's actually something on the table for the lower-level parking lot.

BTW, don't get me wrong, I like your enthusiasm, but I'm just getting sick of nothing "big" being done in St. Catharines.
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Hard to find a city anywhere in this country without any ongoing development so a bunch of institutional/civic development and tract housing hardly interests me. Where the news on the ugly ass Boulevard tower breaking ground and/or the launch of its first of two ugly ass sisters.
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Still 6-7 storys to go.
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friggin awesome tower. i think there's more then 6-7 floors to go?
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It is presently at 47 stories, and is going to finish at 53-54. The number of stories was always in question since many of the lower floors are double height. The finished height is, I believe, going to be around 550ft, making it slightly taller than the Skylon and, therefore, the highest building in the city.
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I really dont like it much I really like the old hilton it is not a huge rectangle like this one is. and the bay of windows at the top is amazing. I will wait till the end till I make my mind up. Its good its finally going up fast.

I hope they have fixed the service elevator problem, and have more then enough elevators for the guests. I know that at about, 12-4 the service elevators are a pain to get on since theirs only 2 and the cleaners are leaving.
so being kitchen staph and bring food and plats needed for the top its a pain.
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I love St Catharines and enjoy many of it's amenities including retail and the arts and culture when they are completed. I consider myself a citizen of the Niagara Region (since about 80% of my taxes go to the Region) and enjoy and taking advantage of what the entire Region has to offer.

However, rather than just throwing out broad statements I would like to offer some following facts:

Niagara Falls has been designated as the Tourist and entertainment hub of the Niagara Region by the Ontario Government.

Without resorting to a shopping list, within the City Limits, Niagara Falls has far more attractions than any other City in the Region.

Niagara Falls has a much higher growth rate than St Catharines, population or otherwise.

For example;

Household construction in Niagara Falls during the period of the last Census
(2006) was 8.7% of the population of 82,184. St Catharines was 7.6% of its population of 131,982. Higher in numbers for St Catharines but not as a growth trend.

However, for St Catharines to grow will need to amalgamate with Thorold but
before that occurs, there is currently some talk of the entire Region amalgamating into one City. (Which is probably overdue).

During the period from 1996 to 2006 St Catharines population increase was 1,053 people. (130,929 to 131.982). As a comparison, Niagara Falls population increased by from 76,917 to 82,184 during that same period.

QEW expansion was not justified on the basis of growth within the City of St Catharines but the number of cars that needed to be moved past St Catharines. It's something that the citizens of St Catharines should not take credit for any more than they should for the Brock University expansion or Niagara Falls should take for the new $1.2 Billion tunnel project or the new $38 million Table Rock renovation. (It belongs to all of us)

Finally, new economic development and approved new construction in Niagara Falls totals almost $9.0 Billion as compared to St Catharines at $841 Million. (Number taken from The City of St Cathaines annual report and the Niagara Falls City site). This does not count the retail expansion slated for the Souh end of Niagara Falls
which will triple in the next two years.
I wouldn't call the growth difference significant and besides, any urban planner will tell you and you can see for yourself that St Catharines is "spilling" over into Thorold, Niagara on the Lake and Vineland Grimbsy areas.
These areas use the services of the bigger city but the city cannot reap he taxes they provide and regional government sucks the monies as well.
Now with the recession in the states the "falls" is a ghost town.I have friends who go to the casino from Toronto, even given a free room...that's how desperate the hotels are. It's cyclical, simple as that...
The bottom line is that the " heart" of Niagara is St Catharines...
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Now with the recession in the states the "falls" is a ghost town.I have friends who go to the casino from Toronto, even given a free room...that's how desperate the hotels are. It's cyclical, simple as that...
The bottom line is that the " heart" of Niagara is St Catharines...
B_B I live in the falls and I can assure you that it is most definitely "NOT" a ghost town as you say, the amount of money changing hands may have faltered, but it is not quiet at all.

If you have things to offer on developments in St. Catharines, I would love to read about it. I follow what I can, especially when it comes to a new arena for the Ice Dogs, so if you here anything post it.
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And how exactly does one city 'spill over' into another city? I think that would be called growth in Thorold, NOTL and Vineland.

Bauer_buyer, skyscraperpage.com does not have a group of people who travel around checking out what's happening in each city. It's simply individuals reporting about development in their own towns. If no one in St.Catharines (including you, it would seem) has any development news to offer, don't blame others on the site for ignoring St.Catharines, and don't badmouth other cities that do receive attention.
St.Catharines is a great city, so tell us about it in a constructive, informative, non-aggressive way.
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I'm desperate to get a tour of Rankine. But contact with FortisOntario has proved unsuccessful. The last tour they offered was in April 2008, for a union of engineers. I guess there's no love for an amatuer photographer/hydro eletric ethusiast.
I will ask my dad. He's worked for CNP for the last 25 years and may know something. He used to take me down the elevator (the OLD, scary elevator) in Rankine down to the turbines when I was little.

We also used to come down the (now closed) Portage Rd access in a Chevette in the winter -- scary!

The last time I was in Rankine was 1998. I don't know what it looks like now.
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The Hilton project is certainly moving along (as uninspiring as ever)



Construction of a 5-storey podium addition to the Fallsview Plaza Hotel





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I agree there she is vary ugly and not so attractive compared to the other 2 towers they own. it looks like a white chocolate coffee crisp. lol u think they would of added some curves or some more definition to it.
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I agree there she is vary ugly and not so attractive compared to the other 2 towers they own. it looks like a white chocolate coffee crisp. lol u think they would of added some curves or some more definition to it.
I think it would look so much better if they had included 2 setbacks (every 15 floors or so) and placed little terraces out on top of the setbacks. It would make for a much nicer tower and it would be sick to sit out on a terrace 40 floors above the falls.
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St. Catharines happenings....

Here is an example of the re-developments happening in St. Catharines...

Brownfield infill could house 500 people
By DON FRASER
Posted 3 months ago


As an urban transformation, it is remarkable in scope.

What was once an industrial wasteland of closed factories and scrub near Queenston Street has become one of St. Catharines’ largest infilling projects.

On Wednesday, the partners of a $50-million residential brownfield development were eager to show off their pride and joy.

When all three phases of Heritage Point are completed by Ravenda Homes roughly two years from now, the new neighbourhood could house more than 500 people.

The developers say it wasn’t all smooth sailing when the Brickyard Developments Inc. project south of Woodburn Avenue began about four years ago.

“At first, we’d come here and look around and say, ‘Wow, what have we got ourselves into,’ ” said Rob Baiocco of Baiocco Developments Corp., which co-owns Brickyard with Andy Panko and Tony Difruscio of Associated Brownfields Inc.

“Then, you start to get a vision of it and walk the site. You can see in your head how it may develop,” Baiocco said as construction crews worked on foundations at the 14.8-acre site.

“It’s really exiting to see what you originally envisioned actually develop into all this.”

Panko nodded in agreement and strode along a new stretch of roadway. The project has come a long way, he said.

“We’re standing, right now, on where a brickmaking operation was,” Panko said.

“You can actually see some of the bricks they’re taking right out of the earth.”

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A push by levels of government to encourage urban infilling cleared the way for the development, which is beside the Garden City Golf Course, where ETF Manufacturing, the former Burnstein Brick factory and other businesses once existed.

Ontario’s Brownfields Act of 2004 offers incentives for the development of abandoned urban areas under municipal community improvement plans.

The Queenston Street area, where the Brickyards project is located, is part of a St. Catharines community improvement plan.

The high cost of demolishing buildings and remediating the land will be partially recovered by tax reductions.

Those financial factors, and an excellent location, make the project especially viable, the partners said.

“This was a neighbourhood that was looking for change,” Baiocco said. “There were fires here, kids coming in at nighttime.... It was a challenge at the very beginning.”

Panko gives special praise to the City of St. Catharines and the consistent work by various municipal officials and politicians to make the infilling project happen.

“They say they’re open for business and I think they proved it to us,” Panko said.

Difruscio said the project approval process “was a learning curve for everybody, including the developers, the city and Niagara Region.

“Infilling is something really new, with new programs in place and (many) of these programs haven’t been tested.

“But I think everybody bought into it,” Difruscio said. “And I think that’s the way these things really have to run.

“It’s these types of projects that are going to create our (new) residential land.”


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WHAT: Heritage Point, a new $50-million Brickyard Developments brownfield residential project in former industrial/commercial lands.

Ravenda Homes of St. Catharines is the builder.

WHERE: In central St. Catharines, at Herrick and Woodburn avenues, south of Queenston Avenue.

HOW MANY? 500 people or more could end up living in the development.

PHASES: Phase 1, which should be built by fall 2009, will have 55 freehold townhouses and six freehold single homes, with prices starting at $199,000.

Phase 2 consists of two, four-storey condo apartments, with 140 units in total; construction to start early 2009.

Phase 3 will have 33 townhouse condos, with construction some time next year.






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And how exactly does one city 'spill over' into another city? I think that would be called growth in Thorold, NOTL and Vineland.

Bauer_buyer, skyscraperpage.com does not have a group of people who travel around checking out what's happening in each city. It's simply individuals reporting about development in their own towns. If no one in St.Catharines (including you, it would seem) has any development news to offer, don't blame others on the site for ignoring St.Catharines, and don't badmouth other cities that do receive attention.
St.Catharines is a great city, so tell us about it in a constructive, informative, non-aggressive way.
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Bondfield named designer for convention centre

By Lori Sherman, Staff
Niagara This Week

Niagara Falls
Dec 19, 2008

The city has officially named the designer for its multi-million dollar convention centre due to open in the spring of 2011.
Bondfield Construction, a Toronto-based builder whose portfolio includes Niagara College's Niagara-on-the-Lake campus, the Queenston-Lewiston Bridge Plaza redevelopment and the Hilton Fallsview Hotel, will take on the design of the Niagara Convention and Civic Centre planned for Stanley Avenue, near Dunn Street.

Staff from the NCCC were on hand as the announcement was made during Monday evening's city council meeting.

"We are so excited. This is a huge step in moving forward," said president of the NCCC, Kerry Painter. "It's a beautiful building that works with the surrounding landscape. It's functional and it has a shelf space for expansion."

City staff shared in the excitement, breaking out in applause after the announcement was made.

"This is certainly going to change Niagara forever," said Mayor Ted Salci who expressed thanks to both city staff and the board of directors of the NCCC who helped in the selection process. "We've all worked long and hard together ... to make this a reality."

Bondfield will lead a team of architects, including CS&P and Stanford Downey, through the $100-million project.

Their 280,778-square-foot design includes fully glazed north and west facades and a folded curtain wall of glass cascades from the roof meant to mirror the sweep of the waterfalls and jagged rock seen along the Niagara gorge.

"I think this is going to be a catalyst for a lot of good things to come in Niagara Falls," said Coun. Jim Diodati after the announcement. "I think this is something that's been a long time coming...and I couldn't think of a better way to stimulate the city."

Bondfield was selected through an extensive evaluation process, which began in June of 2008.

The bid, which initially consisted of nine companies all vying for the job, was reduced to four bidders after detailed marketing, renderings and price plans were submitted.

Construction is scheduled to begin in May 2009.




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