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Old Posted Oct 27, 2008, 11:11 AM
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Stinson's got his eye on Stinson for development

October 27, 2008
Rob Faulkner
The Hamilton Spectator

Stinson Street School's farewell party had many highlights: the memories of former students, 100-year-old slates to sign, an attic as big as a barn with 94-year-old graffiti, and a question.

What next?

Its mahogany doors opened in 1895 near Wentworth Street South. It's slated to close at Christmas, as its kids go to the new Queen Victoria elementary school nearby.

Hamilton public school board director of education Chris Spence said a sale of the property will take months. It has to be offered to public bodies like the city. Then developers get a crack.

And that's why Saturday's party had a special guest.

Developer Harry Stinson, nondescript in an army-style jacket with pockets, toured a building he says is unlike any you can buy in Toronto. He's thinking condos, but isn't making any decisions yet.

"It's the name on the front of the building, that's what it is," he jokes, about the metal "Stinson School" letters on the school's brick that peek through conifers to the street.

The developer doesn't know if he's related to the schools namesake.

"To me the building has all the elements of The Candy Factory" -- Stinson's famous Toronto loft project hailed for its jaw-dropping industrial architecture.

Anyone who walks by is stunned by the beauty of the school and the view of the escarpment, he says. And it's down the street (1.6 km) from the GO station, he adds.

"You are surrounded by a mixed bag of housing, but clearly, at some point, grand homes," adds Stinson, who lives in Hamilton, and failed to secure financing for his $9.5-million offer on the Royal Connaught.

At the school he'll have to ensure the costs of repair and condo conversion don't match the cost units can sell for. He admits this part of the city has challenges but is not impossible.

One thing he is cautious about is its layout: The classrooms (7.6 m by 10 m) may be too small to split into two units, yet too large to sell as singles. The original building has five classrooms built for 50 students on floors one and two, which open onto expansive foyers.

Barbara Sikora, 80, recalls attending Stinson for kindergarten in 1933, and learning how to count using coloured sticks.

"I only got the strap once, one on each hand, and it stung... (for) talking I guess," says Sikora, who hopes the school will become residences.

Caretaker John Lane says whoever buys it needs to invest. The boiler is on its last legs; a 1914 addition to the south would require a second elevator. The gym is from 1959, the library from 1978.

John Aikman, who runs the public school board archives, said one idea may be to use Stinson as home to the archives now at former Vincent Massey school on the Mountain. Aikman, who attended kindergarten at Stinson in 1947, said it will require a lot of work even if it's not converted to condos. A tree is growing out of the front of the school's brick wall; a window in the uninsulated attic is broken; it's not as easy to heat a building as it was in the days of cheap coal.

The building is designated under the Ontario Heritage Act, so it's more difficult for an owner to alter.
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haha...hey, I called this a few months back. Why not? Stinson buy Stinson. I'd rather have him do it then some group of jokers like the stiffs who butchered the old Spec warehouse on King William.
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I love going through that area of town... lots of potential!
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i want brock to move there from the briarwood school.
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I think there's a 50/50 chance that this school will sit empty for quite a few years until all of a sudden there's a ton of young families moving to South of Main St. demanding that Stinson be reopened.

Anybody want to bet?
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I think there's a 50/50 chance that this school will sit empty for quite a few years until all of a sudden there's a ton of young families moving to South of Main St. demanding that Stinson be reopened.

Anybody want to bet?
I'd take that bet. They've already built a replacement school for Stinson, so there would have to be a big, big uptick in families with young kids.

As much as I'd like to see that happen I can't see that big an uptick.
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Living in the school you went to is very popular.

A similar development here, however, was quashed by NIMBYs, who wanted the building to remain vacant so that they could use the vacant land as a "park". They didn't understand that the developer requested only half of the land (the part with the school on it) as part of his development, the rest would be the city's property.

How big is the school? Any pictures?
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I only wish.
We used to go there all the time in Portland. The place was awesome.
I think there are 2 or 3 locations in Portland, all in old schools. Very cool and great for urban neighbourhoods losing a school.
Hamilton always seems to get stuck with vinyl townhomes or nothing.
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A microbrew would great for this building and location. Hamilton does not have any as far as I know. Pretty sad for a city our size.
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Hamilton does not have any as far as I know. Pretty sad for a city our size.
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I was wondering what this thread could possibly be about. Now I know.
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Stinson School Lofts | ? | 4 fl | Proposed

Stinson unveils new Hamilton condo project
Paul Tipple
5/18/2009

Local developer Harry Stinson has another project in the works.

He is proposing to turn the former Stinson Street Junior Public School into loft condominiums.

The school on Stinson Street was originally built in 1864 and closed last year.

Stinson says his offer to purchase the building has been accepted by the Hamilton Public School Board, but he's still waiting for the deal to close.


Hey it worked for Allenby School just off Locke Street!
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It's a lovely building.
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^The Allenby lofts are really nice.
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There is an old historical building, probably former industrial, on Alanson Street which was turned into lofts years ago. Not a big building but I think the project went off successfully. I think they were built in the late 80's to mid 90's I can't quite remember. Anyway it likely shows there is a market for lofts in that area, and those are backing on to the tracks.
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There is an old historical building, probably former industrial, on Alanson Street which was turned into lofts years ago. Not a big building but I think the project went off successfully. I think they were built in the late 80's to mid 90's I can't quite remember. Anyway it likely shows there is a market for lofts in that area, and those are backing on to the tracks.
I kept an eye out for this today - never even really noticed it before. It seems like a nice building though. You kind of have to look for it, it blends in very well.

I don't believe anyone's posted this article re: the Stinson lofts yet.

From classes to condos for Stinson
PAUL WILSON
The Hamilton Spectator
(May 20, 2009)



Harry's done it again, got himself another big project. He just couldn't say no.

This time it's the enormous 1890s Stinson School. He says he's going to turn it into condos and he sure won't be changing the name.
Harry Stinson strode into this town from Toronto a couple of years ago and hasn't been out of the news since.

Jim Balsillie wants to give us a hockey team, and Stinson wants to give us condos.

First it was a massive redo of the Royal Connaught, with a thousand-foot needle-shaped condo tower.

He just couldn't pull the money together for that one, but soon announced The Hamilton Grand, a condo-hotel project to be carved out of an old building on John, just south of King.

Then, last month, another press conference. Forget the old Grand, Stinson said, and here's the new one. He says a 13-storey structure will soon start to rise on the site of a former Shell station at Main and John.

And now, after giving the school board a six-figure deposit, he's weeks away from closing on the purchase of the Stinson School.

Is he taking on too much? "I did wrestle with that before putting in the bid," he says. "But not a lot of 120-year-old schools called Stinson will be coming up for sale. I couldn't not take a shot at it.

"And I'm actually qualified to do this. I've done it before."

He's talking about a 1993 project called the Candy Factory. A few years ago, Toronto Life magazine declared Stinson's launch of the loft revolution one of "10 moments that profoundly changed life in Toronto."

He went into Queen West, a marginal neighbourhood then. To the amazement of many, he turned the old five-storey, block-long Ce De Candy Company into 121 lofts that sold in a flash.

Stinson School is a cut above any old candy company building. Architect Alfred Peene, also responsible for Hamilton's Carnegie Library, designed an impressive structure. He used brick and brown Credit Valley stone. He put slate on the roof, of course, and it's still in place.

Inside, the gleaming wood floors, soaring ceilings, generous windows, handsome wainscotting are all still there.

But the kids aren't. At the peak, about 700 students attended Stinson. That had fallen to 265.

The end came at March break, when those kids hiked off to the new Queen Victoria school.

Plywood went up on the windows and the board took offers. Stinson won't say what his winning bid is until the deal closes. Neither will the school board. But $750,000 is probably not far off.

Some wonder if the location is right. It's not the west end, where a developer could charge top dollar for the condos.

But Stinson likes it fine here, just west of Wentworth. "We're standing at the foot of the escarpment. The stairs are right there. The Bruce Trail, too. You can walk to the GO train in 15 or 20 minutes."

Stinson School is surrounded by old homes, some grand, many well cared for.

Stinson thinks this project is big enough to kick-start improvements to the whole neighbourhood, just as the Candy Factory did.

On this day, he's brought two architects from a Toronto firm called Icon to the site. He's worked with them before. They shoot hundreds of photos of the school, inside and out.

"I'm not worried about sales at this project," Stinson says. "The challenge is the design and construction.

"This will be a Rubik's cube. Every unit will have to be planned one by one. That's why we're taking all these pictures, measuring again and again."

Stinson has a meeting at City Hall today to discuss the approvals process.

He thinks there's the potential for 100 units, selling for an average of $250,000. There would be 30 in a stacked townhouse at the south end of the property, plus 35 units in each of the two buildings that make up Stinson School.

He talks of balconies cut into the roof, a Victorian greenhouse for the premier suite, exposed brick, a glass galleria, cobblestone and globe lights around the entire block.

He estimates construction costs at $10 million and says the money to get started is in place.

"I've been out here measuring and neighbours keep coming by," Stinson says.

"Time and time again they say, 'We hope you get started right away. We don't want another Lister Block.'"

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