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Old Posted Jun 2, 2015, 5:12 PM
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But nobody lives in the south end. There cannot be traffic problems.

This mess has been developing over many years and it will just get worse because of the lack of decent transportation infrastructure in the south end.

We all stuck our heads in the sand assuming that nobody lives there, just empty fields. The problem is that the south end of city is now the fastest growing and we tossed out most of the plans that were to address this problem. It wasn't just the N-S LRT project that got tossed but also use of the existing cross-town rail line.

People are now trying to find alternative ways to cross the city, and this is why old rural roads such as Leitrim Road and Rideau Road are filling up with traffic. It is an act of desperation when some will travel kms out of their way to find a quicker way.

We have no idea how to solve this. The Bank and Leitrim intersection is failing because we are building hundreds of homes just south of there and we can't even fund widening Bank Street to Findlay Creek Drive where the problem is most acute. This is only a 1 km distance. And of course, Findlay Creek is also treated as a transit backwater with no plans to ever provide decent transit service. It is not on one of the 'designated' corridors so who cares.
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I love traffic circles. Not sure Leitrim and Albion is a good candidate though. If you were to stand at that corner at 5PM, you'd see traffic southbound backed up all the way to Lester and westbound backed up almost to Bank. Its alot of volume and once you get through that intersection either way you are going its all clear.
I live in the area and I've thought about this intersection a lot.

Given the amount of traffic volume coming at Leitrim/Albion from all directions, I think it is a good candidate for a roundabout.

In the short term I think capacity of the intersection could be improved by installing southbound and northbound right-turn lanes on Albion.
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2015, 6:19 PM
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With all the traffic woes of the area, it's no surprise it's growing much more slowly than originally forecasted, and that Kanata-Stittsville has become the main suburban growth area in its place.

Growth down in the southeast may stop entirely if new infrastructure projects don't come online soon.
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2015, 6:42 PM
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With all the traffic woes of the area, it's no surprise it's growing much more slowly than originally forecasted, and that Kanata-Stittsville has become the main suburban growth area in its place.

Growth down in the southeast may stop entirely if new infrastructure projects don't come online soon.
I agree that development has not met some predictions but you'd be surprised. The south remains one of the fastest growing areas of the city. According to CMHC starts for Ottawa YTD by region are in the following order:

Ottawa inside greenbelt: 255 starts
Nepean outside greenbelt: 211 starts (mostly barrhaven)
Gloucester outside greenbelt: 138
Kanata: 112

With the completion of the Strandherd bridge, "Nepean outside greenbelt" and Gloucester outside greenbelt" are essentially one big development area sharing many of the same roads, hence the problem.

Yes, growth may slow considerably. Not sure what the city plans to do but Minto and Mattamy are going full speed in Barrhaven. RSS has a big phase under development now on the south side of Earl Armstrong at Spratt.

I do know they delayed a project on Leitrim itself (part of Findlay creek's next phase).

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Old Posted Jun 2, 2015, 7:42 PM
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The Barrhaven side has much better transportation links than the RS side, though. Barrhaven has a Transitway with plentiful Park & Ride spaces that allows fast transit access in and out, and a good number of widened roads leading out in several directions.

The slowdown is mostly free market driven. Traffic is scaring people away from moving down to the SE. Developers have responded by slowing down projects and focusing on their land holdings elsewhere.
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700+ units were just approved at Bank and Leitrim
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/...appId=__9UHRQT
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700+ units were just approved at Bank and Leitrim
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/...appId=__9UHRQT
Yayyyyy! The homebuilders can bust out their cookie cutters for more
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Yayyyyy! The homebuilders can bust out their cookie cutters for more
On a positive note, after Monday's traffic fiasco, I contacted Michael Qaqish and George Darouze about the Leitrim road issue. They said they would have city engineers look at the intersection (Leitrim and Albion).

The next day, the light cycle for Leitrim Road E-W traffic at Albion increased from 10 seconds to 30 seconds and the road has been clear ever since, granted its been 3 commutes. I'm not holding my breath that it will last, but I immediately noticed a major positive difference and am quite thankful that they did something.

@brad nixon. Did you do a transport report for FCCA? I read it, it was good.
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@brad nixon. Did you do a transport report for FCCA? I read it, it was good.
That's me. Thanks.
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And the city's typical responses? Really, nothing can be done on anything, no matter how small. However, some people do have clout. Just look at that traffic light on Bank Street in the Greenbelt that got installed at the request of a small group of woman hikers. The traffic light is almost never used. Yet, that same stretch of Bank Street is rapidly deteriorating and is full of holes. It was last properly repaved in 1992 when it was still owned by the Department of Highways. I can't even get a half block of missing sidewalk installed on Bank Street, which is a major pedestrian hazard in winter.
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And the city's typical responses? Really, nothing can be done on anything, no matter how small. However, some people do have clout. Just look at that traffic light on Bank Street in the Greenbelt that got installed at the request of a small group of woman hikers. The traffic light is almost never used. Yet, that same stretch of Bank Street is rapidly deteriorating and is full of holes. It was last properly repaved in 1992 when it was still owned by the Department of Highways. I can't even get a half block of missing sidewalk installed on Bank Street, which is a major pedestrian hazard in winter.
Agreed on the deterioration on Bank St. I laughed at the ranking of Carling as the worst road in Ottawa. Bank St particularly through the Greenbelt is far worse.

The traffic light there does have a purpose: to facilitate the crossing of Bank St by the Greenbelt pathway. It was installed by the NCC. It is rarely used because the Greenbelt pathway dead-ends just west of Bank St. The pathway is planned to be extended further in the future, and cross the river at the Black Rapids locks.
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Bank Street used to be a provincial highway, now the city has turned it into a clogged city street south of Leitrim. Maybe the city should review the application of road classifications? http://ottawa.ca/en/official-plan-0/...nd-rights-wa-0

It's frustrating because all the attention is on the LRT, but the 55,000 residents living outside the urban boundary pay taxes and don't even get the existing roads paved well, let alone bus service.
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It's frustrating because all the attention is on the LRT, but the 55,000 residents living outside the urban boundary pay taxes and don't even get the existing roads paved well, let alone bus service.
They don't help pay for transit, as the property tax portion of OC Transpo's budget is funded by a special levy that applies only inside the urban boundary for the most part (a much smaller levy is charged in rural areas to pay for the limited bus service they do have plus Para Transpo).

I have zero sympathy for rural people complaining about traffic driving into the city. That is the price to pay for living in the middle of nowhere. If they're going into the city all the time, they should choose to actually live in the city instead of demanding/expecting a smooth traffic free ride in at public expense.
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Airport Parkway widening postponed until 2020 or later

Matthew Pearson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: January 10, 2016 | Last Updated: January 10, 2016 5:41 PM EST


Drivers who are fed up with bumper-to-bumper traffic on the Airport Parkway are just going to have to suck it up because the cash-strapped city has delayed plans for widening the road until at least 2020.

An environmental assessment for widening the two-lane arterial between Brookfield Road and the airport is underway, and the first stretch, between Brookfield and Hunt Club Road, was to be completed by 2018, at an estimated cost of $31 million. But that target has now been pushed back for at least several years — and perhaps even longer.

According to River ward Coun. Riley Brockington, senior transportation planners told him last month that the work may not be finished for eight to 10 years.

He called the delay “excessive” and says staff “haven’t justified why it’s being postponed for as many years as it is.”

But a lack of cash appears to be the reason.

The 2013 transportation master plan was built on the premise that the city would collect from development charges and senior levels of government somewhere in the neighbourhood of $43 million to $45 million each year for growth-related road projects. But lower-than-forecast development charges, among other things, have forced the city to revise that projection to $26 million annually, wrote Michael Mizzi, the acting general manager of planning and growth, in a November memo.

“This new reality means that road projects will be introduced at a slower rate in order to match available funding,” Mizzi wrote.

On its website, the city says rapid growth in the communities south of Hunt Club, including Leitrim, Riverside South and Greely, has increased traffic volumes on the parkway, leading to rush-hour congestion, and the opening of Ernst & Young Centre has further increased traffic in the area of the Lester-Albion Road corridor.

The parkway is “extremely congested” between 7:30 and 9 a.m. as northbound vehicles bottleneck at Hunt Club and traffic comes to a virtual stop as commuters try to merge onto the parkway. In the afternoon, from about 3:30 to 6:30, the bottleneck happens at Brookfield and traffic remains heavy until Hunt Club. “It’s a very slow ride from Brookfield to the airport,” Brockington said.

Despite the gridlock, Frank McKinney, acting manager of transportation planning, confirmed in an email that the widening has been postponed until the second phase of the transportation master plan, which is 2020 to 2025. It was initially included in the first phase, between 2014 and 2019, but McKinney says it was deferred as part of the 2016 budget, which council passed last month.

“No one brought that to my attention,” said Coun. Diane Deans, whose Gloucester-Southgate ward includes the airport. “Changes in the budget are not supposed to be well-guarded secrets, and that seems to be what this is.”

Deans says the pinch-point from Brookfield to Hunt Club must be addressed sooner rather than later. “That’s where the road is failing,” she said. “If council was putting off this project for 10 years, council should have been told that was the impact of voting for that budget.”

Gloucester-South Nepean Coun. Michael Qaqish, says his top priority is the O-Train extension, which would add new stations at South Keys, Leitrim and Bowesville Road, giving many south-end residents a reliable alternative to driving.

But he’s still unhappy the work on the parkway has been postponed. “It’s disappointing but it’s a fiscal reality we’re facing,” he said.

A final open house related to the Airport Parkway environmental assessment will be held in early March and the transportation committee will get a report with recommendations by the summer.

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Old Posted Jan 13, 2016, 11:46 PM
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Extend O-Train south before widening Airport Parkway, Watson says

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Published on: January 13, 2016 | Last Updated: January 13, 2016 5:03 PM EST


The city should hold off on widening the Airport Parkway until it extends the O-Train further south, Mayor Jim Watson said Wednesday, after admitting lower-than-expected revenue from development charges has delayed a number of road projects.

An environmental assessment for widening the two-lane arterial between Brookfield Road and the airport is underway, and the first stretch, between Brookfield and Hunt Club Road, was to be completed by 2018, at an estimated cost of $31 million.

But that target has now been pushed back until 2020 at the earliest.

Other projects the city says are now also delayed until then include:
  • Building a new four-lane road between Orléans Boulevard and Navan Road
  • Widening Mer Bleue Road from two to four lanes between Brian Coburn Boulevard and Renaud Road
  • Realigning Palladium Drive in the vicinity of Huntmar Road to a new north-south arterial
  • Building a new underpass on Earl Grey Drive where it meets Terry Fox Drive

All this work, approved in 2013 when council passed the transportation master plan, was scheduled to be completed in the first phase, between 2014 to 2019.

The plan was built on the premise that the city would collect from development charges and senior levels of government somewhere in the neighbourhood of $43 million to $45 million each year for growth-related road projects, but that figure has since been revised to $26 million annually. Development charges help pay for the cost of infrastructure required to provide municipal services to new development, such as roads, transit, water and sewer infrastructure, community centres and fire and police facilities.

The mayor says the road projects have to be “slowed down simply because the money is not there and we want to adopt a fiscally responsible plan that these projects have to be funded by (development charges), and if there’s less construction for housing and office buildings and so on, there’s less money in the treasury.”

But Watson also seems to agree with those who believe the city should focus on extending the O-Train to Riverside South, including a $155-million spur to the Ottawa airport, in hopes that will make a dent on rush-hour congestion before widening the parkway.

“If we’re able to secure funding for the O-Train extension to the airport, then we should get shovels in the ground for that before we do the Airport Parkway expansion,” Watson said.

An O-Train connection to the airport and the extension of the Confederation Line in the east end to Trim Road, at an estimated cost of $160 million, weren’t originally in the plan for the second phase of LRT, but the city wants both.

“We’ve had some very positive discussions on both those projects,” Watson said, adding the city hopes the province will pay the full cost of the Trim Road extension, while the federal government would pick up the tab for the airport link.

The airport authority has said it is prepared to contribute to the estimated $35 million cost of building a light-rail stop inside its passenger terminal. But officials, reached late Wednesday, say they were disappointed to through the media that the road widening has been deferred because they believe the rail link and extra lanes on the parkway are both necessary.

“The more that the south urban area expands, the more pressure is going to be put on by regular commuters,” said spokeswoman Krista Kealey. “It is going to put traffic to the airport in jeopardy and we think that’s going to have a long-term impact on the region from a tourism and business point of view.”

Ottawa South MPP John Fraser — who joined Watson, federal Infrastructure Minister Amarjeet Sohi and others for a tour of the construction site where the future Tremblay LRT station is being built next to the Ottawa train station — said his priority for addressing congestion on the Airport Parkway is the O-Train extension.

“I’d like to see that move forward quicker,” he said. “I think it should be a priority for all Ottawans to connect our airport to our public transit system.”

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Old Posted Mar 15, 2016, 2:43 AM
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I guess we should all be walking or cycling to and from the airport.
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Do I read that right?? Final little bit (Hunt Club to Airport) starting 2026 at the earliest??

Why even bother doing anything now if they're only going to move the choke point around for the next decade?
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I guess we should all be walking or cycling to and from the airport.
The proposal to widen the road has very little to do with the airport and everything to do with commuter traffic.
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