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Old Posted Feb 22, 2024, 9:31 PM
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Those ranking are all wrong.

The third tallest building would still be 111 West 57th Street.

The tallest of these would be number 7 behind 270 Park Avenue.
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Those ranking are all wrong.

The third tallest building would still be 111 West 57th Street.

The tallest of these would be number 7 behind 270 Park Avenue.
The ranking seems to not be including residential towers and is only factoring commercial towers, most likely disregarding 270 as it is not completed, the aforementioned buildings would be 3rd and 6th respectively as mentioned in the article. Though it is still a strange metric to go off of without mentioning it.
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The exact rankings can sometimes be confusing. But an idea of what would be the top towers in the city, including planned and under construction towers, using official height numbers, and assuming Related's towers are at stated heights...


Freedom Tower (1 WTC).......,...1,776 ft
175 Park Avenue............,........1,575 ft
Central Park Tower...............,...1,550 ft
Steinway Tower.......................1,428 ft
One Vanderbilt........................1,401 ft
432 Park Avenue.....................1,398 ft
270 Park Avenue.....................1,389 ft
Related Tower B.....................1,366 ft
350 Park Avenue.....................1,350 ft
2 WTC...................................1,270 ft

30 Hudson Yards.....................1,269 ft
Empire State Building..............1,250 ft
Penn 15.................................1,200 ft
1 Bryant Park.........................1,200 ft
Related Tower C.....................1,189 ft
Related Tower A.....................1,172 ft




Some towers to keep an eye on, as they could challenge the top rankings...


Affirmation Tower......................1,663 ft
Tower Fifth...............................1,550 ft
Roosevelt Hotel site...................?
570 5th....................................?
41 W. 57th...............................?
80 South St..............................?



There are also the various towers associated with the Penn Station and Port Authority Bus Terminal developments that could challenge as well.
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Related Unveils $12B Project for Western Half of Hudson Yards
Developer says it will build three towers, including hotel with casino.



By Jack Rogers
February 22, 2024


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As the moment of truth approaches for the hottest economic development contest of the decade—Manhattan’s first casino—Related Companies has pushed its biggest pile of chips into the middle of the table with what it hopes is the winning hand.

The developer filed plans with NYC’s Planning Department this week for a $12B mega-project that will sit on a platform over the rail yards in the western half of Hudson Yards.

.....The plans call for more than 1,500 apartments, 2M SF of office space and a resort hotel, as well as a public school and a day care facility.

While the kids are studying their multiplication tables in the new 750-seat school, Related is hoping that adults will be calculating the odds at the tables in a 2.7M SF casino and hotel it wants to build on the site with Las Vegas gaming giant Wynn Resorts.

The casino will occupy the bottom five floors of an 80-story, 1,750-key hotel, which also will feature a ballroom and conference space as well as retail and restaurants.

A 1,400-foot office tower will go up on the southeast portion of the site, with a 1,200-foot-tall residential tower planned for the opposite corner. According the plans, which also include six acres of public space, 324 of the 1,507 housing units in the residential tower will be designated as affordable.
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The plan calls for a new betting palace to be erected on a platform that will be built over active rail lines, effectively connecting the 18M SF eastern half of Hudson Yards with the Hudson River waterfront. Related developed the eastern half, which opened in 2019, with Oxford Properties.

The site for the proposed casino sits next to the Javits Center, NYC’s convention center. It’s within walking distance of a site specified in a casino bid put forward by another titan of NYC real estate, Larry Silverstein.

Silverstein has proposed to build a 1.8M SF development on a vacant site at the corner of West 41st Street and 11th Avenue, near the entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel. Silverstein wants to build two 46-story towers connected by a sky bridge.

Related’s casino bid differs considerably from the original plan for the western half of Hudson Yards, which was rezoned in 2009.

Related’s original agreement with the Metropolitan Transportation Authority envisioned six residential buildings, including 265 below-market-rate units, parks and a school on the western half of the Hudson Yards site. The development was supposed to be completed by 2025.
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Related casino proposal could face zoning battle
Firm’s plans for $12B Hudson Yards development eclipse limits set in 2009



FEB 24, 2024
By David Westenhaver


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Related Companies has finally put forth its grand plan for a casino above the undeveloped Western Rail Yards at Hudson Yards. Well, the scoping documents, at least. The fancy renderings and full rollout are yet to come.

The development would include three skyscrapers, each of them about 1,200 feet or taller. The gaming and resort building would span 2.7 million square feet and have a 1,750-room hotel, conference facilities, retail outlets and restaurants.

The $12 billion project is among the most ambitious contestants for one of the state’s three downstate casino licenses. But, it could face an unexpected hurdle, thanks to a few details.
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The development would require changes to the 2009 rezoning that cleared the way for Hudson Yards, likely eliciting resistance from community members who remember the protracted battle that led to the original agreement.

That rezoning was based on plans to build six buildings above the Western Rail Yards. The latest outline would cut that number to three, but each would be taller and denser than the towers originally proposed.

It’s unclear how much of a barrier the rezoning would be. But Related can take solace in the fact that it isn’t the only developer facing challenges beyond the state’s approval process.
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Nassau elected officials have been nearly unanimous in their support of the casino plan — a stark contrast to local politicians’ response to gambling in New York City.









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Man I hope they can clear the rezoning hurdles as buildings of this scale would be epic here.

A 1,350+ foot building isn't quite a signature tower as 30HY is nearly 1,300 feet but definitely more than I expected here.

Are these heights just the maximum allowable?
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Man I hope they can clear the rezoning hurdles as buildings of this scale would be epic here.

A 1,350+ foot building isn't quite a signature tower as 30HY is nearly 1,300 feet but definitely more than I expected here.

Are these heights just the maximum allowable?

There is no height limit on site, and the site still isn't really that dense. It's zoned as a superblock, like the other railyard phase, and Manhattan West. The overall FAR still remains around 12. They're amending the layout, which shouldn't really be a problem since there originally wasn't supposed to be two towers in the middle of that phase (it was said because of the tunnel underneath). The affordable housing is still there, as is the school. The only thing changing is the increase in office space, and decrease in the number of condos. The # of affordable housing units will remain the same. The bigger battle is for the casino license itself.
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A reminder of what the current site zoning of the 6.2 msf is…






Compared to a shift in site plan, but still 6.2 msf…




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Hudson Yards will fail as a project if it doesn't implement a phase 2 that includes housing options that are available to more than just the upscale buyers that phase 1 catered to.

As things are, Hudson Yards is a fairly sterile development without really being a neighborhood in its own right. This is mostly because, by nature of being built over rail yards, it's a fairly isolated area, excepting the people visiting or commuting via the subway.

If the developers build just another towering, glorified pleasure palace akin to the grandeur of what the first phase promised, we will just get the same results - a half-empty mall, a closed attraction, and a series of glitzy parks that sit mostly unused.

We can and must do better. NYC is a city of people, not consumers.
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I mean you're just incorrect ^.

Hudson Yards has far from failed, it's basically sold out
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Hudson Yards will fail as a project if it doesn't implement a phase 2 that includes housing options that are available to more than just the upscale buyers that phase 1 catered to.

As things are, Hudson Yards is a fairly sterile development without really being a neighborhood in its own right. This is mostly because, by nature of being built over rail yards, it's a fairly isolated area, excepting the people visiting or commuting via the subway.

If the developers build just another towering, glorified pleasure palace akin to the grandeur of what the first phase promised, we will just get the same results - a half-empty mall, a closed attraction, and a series of glitzy parks that sit mostly unused.

Well, none of that is true. First of all, the railyard development was never meant to be some sort of housing development for affordable apartments. Sure, there are some affordable units that will be available. But to suggest this development is and was an affordable housing development means you just don't know how development works. The Hudson Yards itself was designed as an alternative business district, something that couldn't happen without the 7 line extension. Housing is needed all across the city, and can be built mostly across the city. The pandemic itself had an impact on the mall, but the Neiman Marcus space is was already bought by, and being developed as an extension of the Wells Fargo headquarters, another success by the City and Related.
https://newsroom.wf.com/English/news...-/default.aspx

In fact, the commercial component of the Hudson Yards has succeeded even Related's expectations, which is why things are shifting away from more residential, which can be built anywhere.

As far as Hudson Yards being a neighborhood in it's own right, the area is largely still being developed. You may not like that the mall is upscale, but it was always going to be that. Nobody was going to put up a platform over the railyards to put up minimal developments.

As for the casino being an empty attraction, that's just being silly. The casino complex, with it's clubs, restaurants, and theaters is the exact thing that the Hudson Yards needs to draw even more people there who otherwise wouldn't need to be over there. And it will tie in perfectly with the city and state's desire to draw more business to the convention center.

New York is a big city. There is a place for everything, but not everything belongs every place. All in all, the Hudson Yards is one of the biggest successes in the City. All you have to do is look at the skyline to see that.



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Even where we are now, it's impressive how far this development has come from the days of open railyards, parking lots, and warehouses.



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A school next to a casino. You have to be freaking kidding me.
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A school next to a casino. You have to be freaking kidding me.
Yes, they need to lower the legal age so the kids can gamble. All dollars matter.
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Is the platform for Phase 2 starting?
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High Rollers: New wave of casino building spells global opportunities for contractors

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05 March 2024


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Cities around the world are gambling on a new wave of super casinos attracting tourism and inward investment. Lucy Barnard finds out how this could spell big wins for contractors.

The Wynn Al Marjan Resort, located on a man-made archipelago of four islands off the coast of RAK, will be run by Nevada-headquartered casino operator Wynn Resorts, whose portfolio includes Wynn Las Vegas and two vast casino resorts in Macau and is expected to open in 2027.

Certainly, the project, which includes a casino, 1,500 guest rooms, 24 restaurants and lounges, a spa, a shopping centre, a theatre and a convention centre, will be unlike anything seen before in the country where gaming was only legalised in 2023 when the government established a General Commercial Gaming Regulatory Authority which has the power to grant a single casino license to each of the seven emirates if they wish to open up to gambling.
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In the 1930s, Nevada’s decision to legalise gambling led to the city of Las Vegas becoming synonymous with the biggest flashiest casino hotels in the world while New Jersey legalised casinos in the 1970s. In the early 1980s a Supreme Court ruling allowed Native American to conduct gambling on their own lands. This has grown into a US$39bn industry for 243 federally recognized tribes in 29 states. And in the 1990s states including New York, Louisiana and Michigan relaxed the rules.

Now two of the country’s biggest cities, New York and Chicago, are also in the process of allowing permanent Las Vegas-style mega casinos.

New York’s Gaming Facility Location Board is currently weighing up bids by real estate developers and casino operators who want to open the city’s first major super-casino in the city after the state last year said it would approve up to three new casino licenses for the New York City area.
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Bidders include Wynn Resorts partnered with Related Companies which wants to build a casino on Manhattan’s Far West side, Nevada-based Caesars Entertainment, partnered with SL Green Realty which want to build a gambling hall in Times Square and Rhode Island-headquartered Bally’s Corporation which wants to develop a casino in the Bronx.

In 2019, Illinois passed a bill that would allow six new casinos across the state including one mega casino in Chicago. Last year, the state granted Bally’s Corporation a license to take bets in Chicago, allowing the company to operate a temporary casino at the city’s historic Medinah Temple for three years and to establish a 505,000 square foot casino complex in River West, the site of the Chicago Tribune printing plant.
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