PHILADELPHIA | Lowrise/General Developments Thread - Page 609

Knight Hospitaller · #**12161** Posted **May 21, 2019, 6:39 PM**

^ The proof will be in the pudding. It's hard to say how this will look in person. While I'm encouraged by all of he development in W. Philly, a lot of the new student housing is making for blocks of ugly/boring.

summersm343 · #**12162** Posted **May 21, 2019, 7:57 PM**

Hershey's 1st café is a sweet topping to $15M Independence Visitor Center refresh

Read more here:
https://www.bizjournals.com/philadel...ng-to-15m.html

Aaamazarite · #**12163** Posted **May 21, 2019, 7:59 PM**

New proposal at 4th and Race-- residential units for homeless.

https://www.phila.gov/media/20190521...40-Race-St.pdf

2000 Spring Garden-- 5 stories, 7 units

https://www.phila.gov/media/20190521...-Garden-St.pdf

GtownFriend · #**12164** Posted **May 21, 2019, 8:29 PM**

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2000 Spring Garden-- 5 stories, 7 units

Cool! How often do you see a project that actually recreates the original fabric of the block it's in?

Jawnadelphia · #**12165** Posted **May 21, 2019, 9:14 PM**

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Cool! How often do you see a project that actually recreates the original fabric of the block it's in?

Agreed, this looks really sharp-- I don't see the Historic Commission giving the developer any issues at all.

PurpleWhiteOut · #**12166** Posted **May 21, 2019, 10:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by GtownFriend

Cool! How often do you see a project that actually recreates the original fabric of the block it's in?

I believe it has to be approved because it falls into a historic district, but the render looks awesome, and proves that it can be done. What's even better is that the building that is currently there doesn't fit in as much as this new build will.

GtownFriend · #**12167** Posted **May 21, 2019, 11:17 PM**

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What's even better is that the building that is currently there doesn't fit in as much as this new build will.

Exactly. There was originally a twin (as you see down the block), half of which got torn down sometime. They are rebuilding that half and then adding a bonus on top.

Noam215 · #**12168** Posted **May 22, 2019, 12:07 AM**

4th & Race proposal is a terrible location for a necessary service.
I don't imagine the builders of the new building across the street or any of the near neighbors will be very happy to have dozens of homeless men congregating on the block.
Not to mention proximity to historical and tourist attractions.
In addition to the Historical Commission, will they also need ZBA approval for this use?

jsbrook · #**12169** Posted **May 22, 2019, 10:58 AM**

The Spring Garden project looks great, the 4th and Race pretty crappy.

cardeza · #**12170** Posted **May 22, 2019, 11:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by Noam215

4th & Race proposal is a terrible location for a necessary service.
I don't imagine the builders of the new building across the street or any of the near neighbors will be very happy to have dozens of homeless men congregating on the block.
Not to mention proximity to historical and tourist attractions.
In addition to the Historical Commission, will they also need ZBA approval for this use?

there are homeless people in many parts of CC. do you realize there is a shelter behind the Loews and less than a block from East Market? don't think it's really hurt property values. Homeless people dont go away if you simply don't build any shelters.

Noam215 · #**12171** Posted **May 22, 2019, 12:09 PM**

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there are homeless people in many parts of CC. do you realize there is a shelter behind the Loews and less than a block from East Market? don't think it's really hurt property values. Homeless people dont go away if you simply don't build any shelters.

Ah well that explains why there are always so many homeless people around the 7-11 on chestnut, I would argue that they certainly do have a negative impact on that corner. Also the area around 12th & Market is much more dense and can more easily absorb that type of facility, I think it will stick out and have a more negative impact at 4th and Race.
I am certainly not saying that there should not be shelters, but I don’t think they should be in touristy/high rent areas.
I’m sure none of us would welcome a homeless men’s shelter across the street from our homes.

Jayfar · #**12172** Posted **May 22, 2019, 12:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Noam215

Ah well that explains why there are always so many homeless people around the 7-11 on chestnut, I would argue that they certainly do have a negative impact on that corner. Also the area around 12th & Market is much more dense and can more easily absorb that type of facility, I think it will stick out and have a more negative impact at 4th and Race.
I am certainly not saying that there should not be shelters, but I don’t think they should be in touristy/high rent areas.
I’m sure none of us would welcome a homeless men’s shelter across the street from our homes.

Little known True Fact®, Old First Reformed Church at 4th & Race has hosted a nighttime Winter Shelter, in conjunction with Bethesda Project, for the past 35 years.

https://oldfirstucc.org/serve/volunteer/winter-shelter/

Old First was the first church in Philadelphia to open its doors to homeless Philadelphians back in 1984.

Today, through a partnership with Bethesda Project, Old First’s Social Hall becomes home to 30 residents from November through April. Bethesda staff serve as night supervisors and provide the primary social services and case management. Old First provides the space and organizes outside groups to host dinners.

Volunteers come from all over the region to prepare, serve, and share an evening meal with the men of the shelter several days a week.

Noam215 · #**12173** Posted **May 22, 2019, 1:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jayfar

Little known True Fact®, Old First Reformed Church at 4th & Race has hosted a nighttime Winter Shelter, in conjunction with Bethesda Project, for the past 35 years.

https://oldfirstucc.org/serve/volunteer/winter-shelter/

Old First was the first church in Philadelphia to open its doors to homeless Philadelphians back in 1984.

Today, through a partnership with Bethesda Project, Old First’s Social Hall becomes home to 30 residents from November through April. Bethesda staff serve as night supervisors and provide the primary social services and case management. Old First provides the space and organizes outside groups to host dinners.

Volunteers come from all over the region to prepare, serve, and share an evening meal with the men of the shelter several days a week.

Yeah but still lol

Aaamazarite · #**12174** Posted **May 22, 2019, 1:16 PM**

Another perspective of 43rd and Chestnut

Urbanthusiat · #**12175** Posted **May 22, 2019, 1:35 PM**

Looks good. Nice to have density and some new retail in that location.

mcgrath618 · #**12176** Posted **May 22, 2019, 1:40 PM**

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Another perspective of 43rd and Chestnut

Ground level retail? Awesome!

I really think that with all this momentum moving west, those empty lots at 45th and Market should get something tall soon. Hopefully with Blackwell out, West Philly will be more conducive to development.

Aaamazarite · #**12177** Posted **May 22, 2019, 2:00 PM**

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Ground level retail? Awesome!

I really think that with all this momentum moving west, those empty lots at 45th and Market should get something tall soon. Hopefully with Blackwell out, West Philly will be more conducive to development.

The retail is only going to be 2,500sf at the corner, but it'll be an improvement nonetheless. I'm told at least two more buildings like this one are being proposed soon in the same relative area, though probably 2/3rds as large.

cardeza · #**12178** Posted **May 22, 2019, 5:20 PM**

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Ground level retail? Awesome!

I really think that with all this momentum moving west, those empty lots at 45th and Market should get something tall soon. Hopefully with Blackwell out, West Philly will be more conducive to development.

Blackwell was known more for refusal to rezone than being anti development- a whole lot of building has been going on in West Philly/UC for a while. I doubt any privately owned vacant lots/parking lots are there because of Blackwell. The biggest project she interfered with was a public project- the youth study center.

Kfmcshan · #**12179** Posted **May 22, 2019, 7:29 PM**

1,096 Unit Mixed-Use Project Proposed Next to Graffiti Pier in the Riverwards

This is a huge project for the area. 848 units + 248 townhouses. Anyone think it will actually get built? Article Link

Urbanthusiat · #**12180** Posted **May 22, 2019, 8:03 PM**

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[/IMG]This is a huge project for the area. 848 units + 248 townhouses. Anyone think it will actually get built?

Wow. That's huge. I don't see why something like this couldn't get built here, but I'd expect a 6-10 year build-out.