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Old Posted Sep 18, 2007, 3:57 AM
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Moscow: new metro stations

A new station, Trubnaja, has been opened Aug 30th 2007, the total count is now 173. The next one to be opened,
of the same line, Sretenskij Bulvar, is schedueled for December this year. The addition to the length of tunnels is 3.72 km.
The station took 17 years to complete. The construction was frozen during hyperinflation of the 90s. The cost of
maintaining the station and tunnels with construction halted equalled the cost of completion of the construction.

More new stations are to be opened on the Blue line by the end of the year.

Video news release:
http://videoarchive.rbc.ru/archive/2...bnaya_1700.wmv

The video has been removed from server and is not available anymore... But it is not a big deal.

Anyway, according to this video you will soon be able to pay in Moscow metro using mobile phone SIM card, receiving the bill
by phone later; the phone itself to be scanned instead of a plastic card.

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Pictures by coth

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one more photo outside by mozart

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Old Posted Sep 18, 2007, 4:07 AM
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looking pretty good. i'll have to check it out when i'm there next month (!!!!).

btw, the little bald guy in the blue suit is the mayor of moscow, yuriy luzhkov.

anm, any idea why this one opened before sretenskiy bul'var?
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Old Posted Sep 18, 2007, 4:15 AM
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anm, any idea why this one opened before sretenskiy bul'var?
My wild guess is they opened first the one they finished first... but the other one is to be opened in the beginning of December, so it almost does not matter in the grand scheme of things.

BTW, they currently promise to open over 70 km of new tunnels by 2020. This averages over 5 km per year, and probably means a couple of stations per year.
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Looking good. I love how they "integrate" the looks of the new stations.
Feels almost weird though with the cell phone-scan payment system (it's a nice system!) and still using those ooold trains at the same time.
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Looking good. I love how they "integrate" the looks of the new stations.
Feels almost weird though with the cell phone-scan payment system (it's a nice system!) and still using those ooold trains at the same time.
There are no old trains. 81-714/81-717 (blue trains) might have an outdated design, but they still in serial production. MMZ still producing .5x modifications and is working on .6 modification now, which will get a new design, interior and some other things. Warsaw Metro recently bought several .5x trains. Some other Metro systems prefer this model.
81-720/81-721 (metal trains. .1 modification is on photo) was in serial production shortly in 2003-2004. Only several trains were made. All of them working on Line 10, as well as several pre-production 81-720/81-721 trains. They were in production in mid-late 1990's. But Moscow Metro preferred them 81-740/81-741. Line L1 was equipped with 81-740/81-741. And Lines 3 and 4 are being equipped now with 81-740A/81-741A and 81-740.1/81-741.1. 81-740.2/81-741.2 was made for Sofia metro. MMZ is also working on new model - 81-760/81-761.
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Looking good. I love how they "integrate" the looks of the new stations.
Feels almost weird though with the cell phone-scan payment system (it's a nice system!) and still using those ooold trains at the same time.
I do not quite get it. This sounds like Moscow trains are as old as Mumbai trains or something like that. Older than Paris? No. Aesthetically inferior to London, NYC or Tokyo? No way, unless you are biased. They are absolutely fine trains as far as I am concerned. Clean, spacious, safe and fast. I have used trains on a number of US systems and do not see how Moscow trains are worse in any department. What am I missing?

Moscow trains do not have AC, but Moscow climate and the way the whole system is built do not justify AC on trains.
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Old Posted Sep 21, 2007, 3:32 AM
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I do not quite get it. This sounds like Moscow trains are as old as Mumbai trains or something like that. Older than Paris? No. Aesthetically inferior to London, NYC or Tokyo? No way, unless you are biased. They are absolutely fine trains as far as I am concerned. Clean, spacious, safe and fast. I have used trains on a number of US systems and do not see how Moscow trains are worse in any department. What am I missing?

Moscow trains do not have AC, but Moscow climate and they way the whole system is built do not justify using AC on trains.
I concur, many of our trains here in Stockholm are of the older design built in the 70s and 80s yet they work perfectly fine so why scap them? They'll eventually get exchanged but it's not justifiable to do so only because they're not as astetically pleasing as the newer ones. The same goes for the commuter trains aswell.
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I do not quite get it. This sounds like Moscow trains are as old as Mumbai trains or something like that. Older than Paris? No. Aesthetically inferior to London, NYC or Tokyo? No way, unless you are biased. They are absolutely fine trains as far as I am concerned. Clean, spacious, safe and fast. I have used trains on a number of US systems and do not see how Moscow trains are worse in any department. What am I missing?

Moscow trains do not have AC, but Moscow climate and the way the whole system is built do not justify AC on trains.
I agree, the trains do their job perfectly, maybe they look old design wise, but they run perfectly, 100x better than London could ever dream of.

I have to dissagree on the AC comment, I wish they had AC on the trains! It's horrible coming from -15 weather outside in your winter clothes, then being crammed into a car with 100 or so other people and roasting until you get out. It's strange to say, but the metro really needs AC during winter!
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I agree, the trains do their job perfectly, maybe they look old design wise, but they run perfectly, 100x better than London could ever dream of.

I have to dissagree on the AC comment, I wish they had AC on the trains! It's horrible coming from -15 weather outside in your winter clothes, then being crammed into a car with 100 or so other people and roasting until you get out. It's strange to say, but the metro really needs AC during winter!
I understand your sentiment regarding harsh Moscow climate and unpleasantness of having to be crammed in the same car with 100 Russians, but I am afraid you have not fully considered all problems that the use of AC generates.

AC of course does make it colder inside trains, but it also deposits a lot of heat in tunnels and stations. This makes the stations even more uncomfortable during hot weather (ever tried NYC subway during a heat wave?). For use of AC to make any sense, the AC generated heat needs to be properly disposed off from stations and tunnels. This is a problem even for shallow, just below surface stations (typical of American lines running below a street) that can be fairly easily ventilated. With deep stations (like many in Moscow) removal of heat generated by AC would be even more problematic. You would have as a result in winter - cold outside, hot stations and tunnels, cold inside trains. In summer it would be warm/hot outside, even hotter on stations, cold in trains. A lot of expense but not much of an improvement.

AC really works best on open/above ground lines. But Moscow summers are not hot enough to justify AC, and of course during winter you need heating, not cooling on open stretches. Also, since the air in the system comes from outside, it does get cooler on stations in winter in comparison to summer.

It probably would make more sense to cool the air thrown into stations during hot weather (I believe right now it is only filtered from dust, and perhaps not in all cases).

I wonder - do they use AC in Montreal, a city with winters similar to Moscow?
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I wonder - do they use AC in Montreal, a city with winters similar to Moscow?
Montreal metro cars are not air conditioned, but the metro is 100% underground so it is partially insulated from the heat.

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The subway in Toronto have many above-ground portions and there is a third rail power... and think about the Scarborough RT line! And Toronto has a much more similar climate than Moscow!
Having lived in both cities, I can assure you that winters in Toronto are nothing compared to Ottawa or Montreal. Lake Ontario has a huge moderating effect on temperature. I would say of any other major capital city, Ottawa's climate is most similar to Moscow's.
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AC of course does make it colder inside trains, but it also deposits a lot of heat in tunnels and stations. This makes the stations even more uncomfortable during hot weather . For use of AC to make any sense, the AC generated heat needs to be properly disposed off from stations and tunnels.
Are you trying to make a revolution in thermodynamics?

The heat produced by engines and passangers will anyway be transferred to tunnels and stations, without ACs this process is only slowed down. With AC equipped trains, the situation won't change a lot from what we have now at 13-14 hours.

Even in case of heat surproduction, stations are a lot more cool than inside trains due to heat absorption by large masses of concrete.
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Sharp. Russians must really love shiny marble.
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Sharp. Russians must really love shiny marble.
Some do, some are tired of it and would prefer modern hi-tech design. This station was built very conservatively, very much along the lines of much older stations, partially because it is a little out of the past, taking so long to complete. I am sure we will see ultra-modern designs in Moscow metro... sooner or later.
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Some do, some are tired of it and would prefer modern hi-tech design. This station was built very conservatively, very much along the lines of much older stations, partially because it is a little out of the past, taking so long to complete. I am sure we will see ultra-modern designs in Moscow metro... sooner or later.
Yeah, I was struck by how monumental and cold the architecture was... even if it is extremely high quality. I thought the benches were interesting throwbacks to a bygone vision of ye Olde Russia, eh?

but I'm definitely digging it.



Also



that train looks pretty darned new to me.
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that train looks pretty darned new to me.
there aren't very many of those however - just a few on the light green line and the branch to the international business center.
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better then Toronto's
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Looks great. How was this area served before? Bus?
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Looks great. How was this area served before? Bus?
Metro, station "Tsvetnoy Bulvar" (grey line).

"Trubnaya" is the new interchange station (light-green line) in the city downtownr
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I really like to ornaments in their stations.
lovely combination of modern style with old influences
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Now if only Moscow looked that good above ground.
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