What is the residential and office population of your downtown?

[hank12]

Downtown growth


The last major downtown grocery that local historians can recall was Augustine & Kyer, in the Colman Building at First Avenue and Columbia Street in the early 1900s. It delivered groceries in horse-drawn carriages to homes on First Hill and elsewhere, said regional historian Paul Dorpat.

By the time supermarkets came along, people were leaving some inner-city neighborhoods for the suburbs. But now, many urban areas are growing fast. An estimated 20,470 people live in downtown Seattle, about double the number of residents in 1990, according to demographic-research firm SRC, based in Orange County, Calif.

Whole Foods expects to pull shoppers from other parts of the city. The chain also expects some people who work downtown to drop by on their way home.

The owner of Ralph's Grocery and Deli, a 6,500-square-foot store at Fourth Avenue and Virginia Street, said he is not worried about competition from Whole Foods.

For one thing, Ralph's draws customers from only about two blocks in each direction, and Whole Foods will be about six blocks away, Joe Cohen said.

For another, "we're not that type of business," he said. "When you come in here, you'll purchase two or three items. When you go down there, you do major shopping. ... You don't want to wander around a 40,000-square-foot store looking for one or two items."


Researcher Gene Balk contributed to this article. Amy Martinez: 206-464-2923 or amartinez@seattletimes.com. Melissa Allison: 206-464-3312 or mallison@seattletimes.com


Copyright © 2006 The Seattle Times Company

[shane453]

4,165 residents, 43,000 employees. I know the rules are not what it will be in 2020, but I think our residential population will triple within the next couple of years, becuase the unit count is tripling. The office population is still iffy.

[mhays]

Originally Posted by hank12

Downtown growth


The last major downtown grocery that local historians can recall was Augustine & Kyer, in the Colman Building at First Avenue and Columbia Street in the early 1900s. It delivered groceries in horse-drawn carriages to homes on First Hill and elsewhere, said regional historian Paul Dorpat.

By the time supermarkets came along, people were leaving some inner-city neighborhoods for the suburbs. But now, many urban areas are growing fast. An estimated 20,470 people live in downtown Seattle, about double the number of residents in 1990, according to demographic-research firm SRC, based in Orange County, Calif.

Whole Foods expects to pull shoppers from other parts of the city. The chain also expects some people who work downtown to drop by on their way home.

The owner of Ralph's Grocery and Deli, a 6,500-square-foot store at Fourth Avenue and Virginia Street, said he is not worried about competition from Whole Foods.

For one thing, Ralph's draws customers from only about two blocks in each direction, and Whole Foods will be about six blocks away, Joe Cohen said.

For another, "we're not that type of business," he said. "When you come in here, you'll purchase two or three items. When you go down there, you do major shopping. ... You don't want to wander around a 40,000-square-foot store looking for one or two items."


Researcher Gene Balk contributed to this article. Amy Martinez: 206-464-2923 or amartinez@seattletimes.com. Melissa Allison: 206-464-3312 or mallison@seattletimes.com


Copyright © 2006 The Seattle Times Company

Everybody has different population stats. The Downtown Seattle Association uses a figure of 54,000 for 2005 -- they've simply added some census tracts north of Denny and east of I-5 (plus one big one that's mostly industrial with a little bit of Downtown on the edge). Otherwise their area is about 1,750 acres if I recall.

As for supermarkets, why aren't they counting Uwajimaya? The ID is at least as much part of "Downtown" as Westlake and Denny. PS, I went to Uwajimaya an hour ago, and it was PACKED.

They're conveniently defining "downtown" to omit other stores. I suppose the three supermarkets on Lower Queen Anne and the one at Broadway and Pike are less "downtown" than Whole Foods. But the old 8th & Madison Thriftway was two blocks from major office towers until it closed in 1999 or so (to be replaced by a new store in a tower opening this year!).

[Minato Ku]

Paris
131,625 residents and 408,111 employees in Opera financial district with an area of 8.878 km2 (3.42 sqm)

Density
14,826 inh/km2 (38,487 inh/sqm)
45,969 jobs/km2 (119,331 jobs/sqm)
Not bad

Jobs density is higher in la Defense but it is not the biggest and the central business district of Paris .
200,000 jobs/km2 (517,997 jobs /sqm)

[LMich]

Originally Posted by Minato Ku

Paris
131,625 residents and 408,111 employees in Opera financial district with an area of 8.878 km2 (3.42 sqm)

Density
14,826 inh/km2 (38,487 inh/sqm)
45,969 jobs/km2 (119,331 jobs/sqm)
Not bad

Jobs density is higher in la Defense but it is not the biggest and the central business district of Paris .
200,000 jobs/km2 (517,997 jobs /sqm)

Can you please show me a map of Paris proper's financial district, and where yoiu're getting these numbers from, just out of cuiosity and to cite?

[Minato Ku]

Yes
District of Paris



Jobs density



Jobs/population
(Paris Opera financial district is the darkest districts in center of Paris
the 1st ,2nd, 8th and the 9th districts



For more information
Paris official english site

For those numbers Wikipedia is reliable because it is all INSEE data
Arrondissements of Paris
INSEE

For the high number of la Defense this is simple La Defense area is less than 1 Km2

[LMich]

Thanks! I'd always wondered what Paris proper defined it's "CBD" (Central Business District as.

[Shawn]

What is "downtown" Boston? Is the North End part of it? Beacon Hill? Back Bay? The South End? Bay Village?

[Minato Ku]

Originally Posted by LMich

Thanks! I'd always wondered what Paris proper defined it's "CBD" (Central Business District as.

Paris is more the center of this a urban area than the CBD
because if the whole Paris is the CBD you have one of biggest CBD in the world 86 Km and 1.6 millions jobs (I think that Tokyo CBD have similar numbers) I can say that. The whole Paris has a high jobs density but It is more correct to say that Paris has several business districts.
( Opera, La Defense, Val De Seine, Plaine Saint Denis, Bercy Paris rive Gauche, Parisud, Montparnasse, Velizy...etc)

[mhays]

Cities don't define their "CBDs" or "downtowns" in way that are definitive or comparable to other cities. Cities simply draw boundaries for planning, administrative, and political purposes.

[ssiguy]

Although this thread does give some reflection on dense and not dense cities that can mean so very much.
I think the one way to gage this would be more like the most populas 5 sq km in the inner city area. As noted earlier New York's "downtown" is quite baren but that's due to the huge number of office towers.
That is a good gage if your City Hall isn't downtown.

If your City Hall is downtown then why don't we use that as a base and then give the stats from the ajoining 5 sq km. What do ya think?

[ssiguy]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sorry, I meant 4 to 5 sq MILES not Km.

[soleri]

Phoenix probably has the most elastic geographic definitions of any major city's downtown. In fact, it's impossible to settle on precise boundaries although we have some good ones: inside the freeway ring.

I've seen stats all over the place. But I'll put the residetial number downtown at less than 2,500 and the workforce number at less than 30,000. If those numbers seem small, remember this is the world's biggest suburb.

[KevinFromTexas]

I saw this blurb in an article just now and thought I'd start a thread on the subject, but I see we already have one. Maybe some people can come back and update the data for their cities from when this thread was first posted 13 years ago.

This says Austin's downtown worker population is currently at 115,000, and it's projected to reach 135,000 by 2029. At the moment, there are also around 15,000 people living in downtown. The other big population center in the area is the UT Campus that is immediately adjacent to downtown. UT has a student population of 50,000, and there are at least 21,000 faculty and staff on campus. So, Austin's core daytime population is somewhere around 220,000 when you include UT. This doesn't include West Campus, which is the main neighborhood that houses UT students just west of UT. In 2000, the stated population was 10,000, but I suspect it's pushing 20,000 now. West Campus was also Austin's first high rise residential neighborhood outside of downtown, though, now the two skylines are starting to mesh together.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20190...owntown-austin

Still, the 3,000-plus new state employees in the area once the two phases of the project are finished equates to a relatively small percentage of the estimated 115,000 private and public-sector employees who already work downtown. In addition, the figure is expected to grow sharply anyway -- so the state employees won't deserve all of the blame for future traffic jams.

According to the Downtown Austin Alliance, the number of downtown workers will climb by an average of about 2,000 each year over the next decade, reaching 135,000 in 2029. The estimate includes anticipated growth in state employment.

Maps of downtown. Austin's downtown is officially the area bounded by Cesar Chavez Street to the south, Lamar Boulevard to the west, I-35 to the east, and MLK (19th Street) to the north. North of MLK is where UT begins, and runs up to 27th Street, and is bounded by Guadalupe Street to the west and I-35 to the east.

This Google map is a bit more helpful since you can see where the density is with the satellite feature, plus where UT and West Campus are in relation to downtown.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Do....7443863?hl=en


https://www.mapsofaustin.com/Downtown-Austin

[10023]

Wow talk about an old thread.

And what is considered downtown? If you took just the City of London, for which one can get an accurate population figure because it’s an administrative district, the population is only about 10,000 people. That’s in 1.1 square miles, so it’s not even dense on that basis.

But it’s pretty much all offices and various cultural and other institutions:



The daytime population of office workers is over 300,000.

[Innsertnamehere]

Toronto's updated downtown population figures as of 2016 are as follows:

240,000 people living in downtown, 500,000 working. Probably another 100,000 attending school.

Growth is about 7,500 people a year. About 1/15th of the metro population growth is downtown.. which seems surprisingly low.

Including two high density employment areas directly outside of downtown, employment is projected to pass 900,000 by 2041. Population is projected to pass 475,000.



Compared to 2006 posts in this thread, 2016's numbers are a growth of 65,000 people and 100,000 jobs in 10 years. Given that the Toronto economy and population growth has actually accellerated quite significantly since 2016, especially downtown, I wouldn't be surprised if the 2019 numbers are significantly higher. Probably closer to 270,000 residents and 550,000 jobs.

[mhays]

For Downtown Seattle using State OFM residential census tract numbers for 4/1/18, I calculated two versions:
--2.707 square miles: 86,378 residents or 31,909 per square mile.
--4.524 square miles: 126,305 residents or 27,919 per square mile.

Using Census numbers, here are 1990, 2000, and 2010 with OFM 2018 at the end:
--2.707: 31,350, 44,857, 54,462, 86,378.
--4.524: 53,388, 69,714, 82,842, 126,305

For workers, a City report about jobs per district totaled 295,354 for what they called Downtown, South Lake Union, Uptown, and First Hill / Capitol Hill.

[SlidellWx]

New Orleans CBD numbers as of 2018 from the Downtown Development District. https://downtownnola.com/wp-content/...2019-Final.pdf

CBD is 1.2 square miles (does not include French Quarter)

142,764 people in the CBD on any given weekday (residents, workers, visitors).

67,194 of that number are workers.

No direct residential statistics, but report says there are 6,775 apartments and condos in the CBD.

[Chef]

Originally Posted by MplsTodd

For Minneapolis, the data is as follows:

Downtown Employment: Approximately 160,000
Downtown Population: Approximately 31,000

The standard definition of dwtn Mpls is the area bordered by I-35W on the east, I-94 on the south and west, the Mississippi River on the northeast, and Plymouth Avenue on the north. I believe the dwtn population also includes a small area on the east side of the river where Riverplace, St. Anthony Main, and Village at St. Anthony Falls are.

For St. Paul, I'm estimating a little more broadly, but the employment base is approximately 60,000 (including the State Capitol complex) and the population is approximately 7,000.

Since this thread was first begun in 2006, the current estimate for Minneapolis' downtown population is a hair under 50,000 using the same definition of downtown that produced the numbers in the quote.

http://www.startribune.com/almost-50...ome/505811772/

[mhays]

How many square miles?

PS the 50,000 includes areas across the river according to your link.