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Originally Posted by mcgrath618
I'm a bit disappointed that the cap doesn't extend farther. Where did the $300 Mill go?
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Originally Posted by bigfish
The park itself looks awesome and is definitely a huge upgrade. However I am a bit underwhelmed that the capping is only from Walnut to Chestnut. It should at least go up to Market street to the north and down to Dock street to the south.
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Originally Posted by iheartphilly
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True, it's straddle between the Seaport Museum and what looks like a potential use of land to build high rises as depicted in the render. Where the high rise sits, it is a huge surface lot (currently used as a seasonal beer garden and skating rink).
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Originally Posted by mcgrath618
He's right though. It should definitely at least go to Market.
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Originally Posted by iamrobk
Obviously there are strong cost concerns, but long term I reaaaally hope they can extend it south to Dock Street. Less important to extend it north to Market IMO, though I certainly wouldn't be opposed lol. I imagine capping 95 is the more expensive part, but if they extended it to Dock Street they wouldn't need to cap Columbus too (though it'd need to be on some sort of incline to connect to Columbus, or something...).
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Y'all sound like you never, you know,
read the Hargreaves plan. Or the Central Delaware plan from, like, a decade ago. This park has
always been envisioned as extending from Chestnut to Walnut, and acting surprised when it's pointed out for laymen rather reflects poorly on people who claim to be more in the know, you know?
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Originally Posted by City Wide
I wonder if during this multi year planning process if there are any provisions for expanding the cap, probably to the south, in the future. A little bit of planning could go a long way in the future.
If anyone went to the public meeting was much if anything said as how this plan came to be vs the first 'plan' that was put out to the public maybe 18 months ago? Also, I hope theres plans for doing something to enliven the part of Delaware Ave which will become a short tunnel. The street has enough problems already, so it doesn't need any more.
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I was at work during the event so that was a thing, but what I want to see is PennDOT putting in preparatory work necessary for letting I-95 overbuild opportunities as development parcels. While I doubt this would yield tangible results for another 2-3 real estate cycles, it's also true that, once the empty lots get filled up and underbuilt buildings redeveloped, the obvious place to go in this part of town is ... on top of 95.
I think the stretch of Delaware Ave between Market and Dock streets is going to become a glorified service road, no matter how we wish it might be different (or not). To that end, while the existing infrastructure pushes pedestrian traffic coming across Dock into the interior of Penn's Landing, something DRWC needs to think about as they move into the phase of redeveloping the parcel between Chestnut, Walnut, Delaware, and the waterfront is pedestrian linkage between the level where the activity is and Delaware Avenue at Market Street. Otherwise, the stretch of Delaware between Market and Race runs a real risk of becoming a pedestrian cul-de-sac (even more than it already is).
Also I am rather interested in what the Hilton will do with its parking garage, and the Seaport Museum with their oversized plot once this park backs up to them. I think we're about to run into an oversight nobody's noticed before about the Hargreaves plan: that it never resolved the level changes w/r/t pedestrian experience around the B sides (so to speak) of the cap park satisfactorily.