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Old Posted Apr 23, 2020, 11:55 PM
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In a decade, downtown Phoenix has transformed from a virtual ghost town to a must-see destination.

To capitalize on a dense population of finance, technology and tourism jobs in the area, between 2010 and 2020 locally owned entertainment venues like Charlie Levy's The Van Buren (owned in conjunction with Live Nation) and Crescent Ballroom were built, along with over two dozen restaurants and bars. It has sparked immense growth and a brisk sales tax revenue for the city.

But now, the coronavirus has turned downtown Phoenix back into a ghost town, and Phoenicians are wondering what the area will be when this is all over. “Obviously, nobody knows the timeline of this situation, but we have already started to focus on how we welcome people back to downtown Phoenix,” Downtown Phoenix Inc. President and CEO Devney Preuss said. “All ideas are on the table, and we already know we will have to work closely with the city to identify the best use of our shared resources.”

Potential tactics to boost trade in the neighborhood include reducing parking meter hours that currently are enforced from 8 a.m. to 10 p.m. daily, including weekends and holidays. Increasing foot traffic for businesses is also at the forefront of the conversation. Preuss said she has been discussing new uses with her peers, including debuting interactive storefronts or creating events on the large sidewalk and patios downtown. Downtown Phoenix Inc.'s data shows that there are currently 4,000 residential units under construction or close to completion in the area, and another 2,000 to 3,000 residential units in pre-development.

But momentum for building downtown Phoenix residences and recreation is in serious jeopardy. Kenect Phoenix, a mixed-use high-rise located at 355 Central Ave., is slated to begin pre-leasing this summer. With the pandemic still in full swing, only time will tell what the demand is when they begin that process.

After much fanfare and a yearlong construction process, downtown Phoenix's first major grocery store, a Fry's Food and Drug across from Chase Field and Talking Stick Resort Arena, opened in late October 2019. The grocery store had expected to have large pregame and postgame sports crowds, and even included a bar on-site to meet demand. But less than six months later, its future revenue is in jeopardy, with the National Basketball Association temporarily suspending its season and Major League Baseball postponing the start of its season.

“One of our bright spots has been all of our projects under construction, including 12 high-rise developments,” Preuss said. “We have truly evolved downtown Phoenix into a real community and neighborhood over the last five to seven years, and work is still being done at an accelerated pace, with less people being on the sidewalks.” SVN Desert Commercial Advisors owns several properties in the area, including the currently listed 702-710 Central Ave., a 15K SF mixed-use property that was the former home of the popular nightlife destination Club Downtown. SVN, which tracks data in the area, estimates that between 20,000 and 30,000 vehicles pass through the busy Van Buren Road corridor downtown every day, while its Roosevelt Row neighborhood has between 16,000 and 18,000 vehicles traveling through it every day.

But since the coronavirus closures, traffic in both areas can be measured in the dozens, not the thousands. “Those are already high-traffic areas, so when businesses open up again, whenever that is, they will have a faster opportunity to make up some of the lost revenue because of high foot traffic and high vehicle traffic,” SVN Director Melissa Swader said.

As 702-710 Central Ave. is within walking distance of Chase Field, Talking Stick Resort Arena, Roosevelt Row, several performance venues and nightclubs, SVN executives said they believe it may increase downtown's value. “Flexibility is going to be the key when things open up again, and this building can go up to 500 feet in the air as a high-rise or be left alone and maintained as a mixed-use destination,” SVN adviser Paul Borgesen said. “Whenever the city comes back, it will still be made up of a lot of gig workers who have nontraditional work schedules and who want to live in close proximity to restaurants, retail, entertainment and the first major grocery store in downtown Phoenix," he said. "That demand will still remain.”

Given that change, the site at 702-710 Central Ave. may end up following the newest trend in downtown: multifamily units placed above a large retail destination. “Our market analysis shows it is the future for the downtown Phoenix market,” Borgesen said. “Downtown Phoenix is extremely developer-friendly with its zoning laws, so it makes it easy to develop properties with minimal or no issues.” Those friendly zoning laws could be an important factor for the area's return, as new businesses launching in 2021 and 2022 could end up being just as important as current commercial residents.
“There is a pause because of our current climate, but I do not think that the demand for urban spaces in downtown Phoenix is going to go away,” Roosevelt Row Community Development Corp. President Nicole Underwood said. “Whenever we return, it will be the perfect time to take proactive measures to gather residents and business tenants in our area, to show them how community translates to commercial real estate value down the line.” Underwood and the Roosevelt Row Community Development Corp. are counting on longtime destinations like the Lost Leaf to lead the charge back to normalcy when quarantine orders are lifted.
She expects the growing number of downtown Phoenix residents and their pent-up demand to drive the economic bounce back. “I expect when businesses open again people are going to return to the communities and destinations that they care about the most first,” Underwood said. “We have worked hard to build a real community in downtown Phoenix and that is not going away any time soon.”
Interesting article I saw on Facebook today from this website. Although I doubt a 500' tower would be developed on the current site, this is actually a case where I hope they keep the property unchanged as it offers an interesting stretch of retail spaces. Unless, however unlikely, they could retrofit a few floors of residential above it.

https://www.bisnow.com/phoenix/news/...ix-back-103975
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2020, 12:15 AM
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... That article is not much more than a hype piece for that lot which is listed on loopnet for sale. SVN doesn't own that lot either, they're the seller's representative.

I too agree it shouldn't be redeveloped. The club and the Grand heavily contribute to Downtown.
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Renaissance Square in the 80s

Throwback to Renaissance Square being built in the 80s https://twitter.com/rensquarephx/sta...895267329?s=21
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Old Posted May 1, 2020, 10:49 PM
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Throwback to Renaissance Square being built in the 80s https://twitter.com/rensquarephx/sta...895267329?s=21
Was the block south of Renaissance Square an extension of underground parking or a redevelopment of Patriot’s Square?
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Old Posted May 1, 2020, 11:17 PM
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The old old Patriots square never had a garage underneath prior to Renaissance Square.
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Old Posted May 1, 2020, 11:58 PM
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Ah gotcha. Bothers me they demoed all the structures on that block in any case.
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Old Posted May 2, 2020, 12:25 AM
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There was nothing on the pre-garage Patriots Square but an X like sidewalk cutting through a green field with some mature trees. It was quite pleasant apparently, old photos had people enjoying it unlike the next version of the thing which smelled like pee and nobody ever used. I helped lead the opposition to the current iteration but now that it has programming and supports larger crowds I've come to like it. I could see Renaissance Square owners and Cityscape's owner to redevelop it yet again.
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Old Posted May 2, 2020, 1:45 AM
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The first Patriot’s Square you mention must’ve come sometime post-1950. There’s old photos with the whole block filled with structures like the Saratoga Café and Rialto Theater along Washington, our old Theater Row, of which only the Orpheum survives.

Never used the infamous Patriot’s Square that existed into the mid-2000s, but I like the current iteration because people are actually using it to shop, sit, eat, read, etc. You know...like a well-planned urban plaza!! And it’s one of the few plaza-ish places in Phx I’m able to people watch in an urban-setting.
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Old Posted May 2, 2020, 2:09 AM
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The Wiki says 1976, which coincides with my recollection of the history of the block--it was extremely run down at this point and there wasn't much worth saving at the time. Things were very old, but the history wasn't realized. The redevelopment of the block along with everything else coincides with the 70s construction boom that mirrored other cities.
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Coronavirus crisis threatens push for denser housing

Interesting article on the potential future of transit-oriented development and incorporating public health elements into its design.

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SILVER SPRING, Md. — Katie and Timothy Carney were searching for a larger home to accommodate their growing family. But equally important to them was finding a place within easy distance of Washington’s Metro light rail line. They finally pounced when they saw a 2,500-square-foot colonial style house in a mixed-use development less than a mile from the nearest rail stop in Silver Spring, Maryland.

“He can leave his office downtown and be home in 50 minutes,” Katie Carney said of her husband, who works as a journalist at The Washington Examiner. He can walk to the transit stop in less than 15 minutes.

That’s music to the ears of planners and housing advocates trying to address the housing crisis ravaging cities like San Francisco and Seattle. But some developers worry that the coronavirus pandemic will stop the momentum as social distancing and telecommuting become the norm.

Transportation and denser housing have been the two focal points of urban residential development for the last decade, as cities try to combat a severe shortage of affordable housing. In areas where car commute times continue to climb, and freeways are at capacity, building denser communities along transit lines is seen as a panacea.

These projects, known as live-leave developments or more formally as transit-oriented developments, can be no-frills projects that focus on housing and getting people in and out fast. Or they can be more centered on amenities, meant to attract not only residents but commercial developers who find the density attractive for restaurants, coffee shops and boutiques. As an added benefit, developers can usually forgo expensive surface parking lots on prime real estate, as most residents use public transportation.

In California, legislation has been proposed to change zoning restrictions to make building transit-oriented developments near light rail lines easier. The bill was narrowly voted down in January because of concerns that it would strip local communities of too much control.

But the need for transit-oriented developments will not go away, even with the pandemic, said the bill’s sponsor, state Sen. Scott Wiener, D-San Francisco.

“We need to take a deep breath and do the things we know will put an end to the pandemic,” Wiener said, referring to the need for testing and a vaccine. But after the pandemic ends, California will still have a staggering homelessness problem of more 100,000 people that can be addressed only by building more housing, he said.

Transit-oriented development also carries economic weight. Developments at six stops along the Gold Line in Pasadena, California, have attracted 3,500 housing units and created 250,000 square feet of retail space — along with 603,000 square feet of office space, 421,000 square feet of hotel space and another 306,000 square feet for other commercial construction — according to a 2016 study by Beacon Economics, an independent research firm based in Los Angeles.

Those numbers are comparable to what has been seen in other markets, said Adam J. Fowler, research director of Beacon Economics. He agreed that the pandemic would not change the need for transit-oriented development.

But Isaiah Madison, a board member of Livable California, a nonprofit group that promotes local control, thinks the pandemic will force legislation on transit-oriented development in new directions.

“The whole discussion about housing will change. A lot of the bills and laws the Legislature have been discussing will be looked at in a different lens,” he said.

Most experts say the demand for transit-oriented development will still exist in some form after the crisis, but the pandemic will leave a legacy.

Developers should take heed of the long-term effects of the pandemic, said Dr. Richard J. Jackson, professor emeritus in the Department of Environmental Health Sciences at the Fielding School of Public Health at the University of California, Los Angeles, who has studied transit and development.

“I wouldn’t make any big development decisions right now,” said Jackson, a former officer in the Epidemic Intelligence Service at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The economic fallout is likely to last five years or more, he added, and people may still be wearing masks for several years. Developers will have to factor the pandemic, and other crises, into their plans.

“You have to plan out 100 years for building residences and creating buildings that are resilient and confront a multitude of hazards: terrorism, earthquakes, fires, climate change, energy shortages,” Jackson said.

In the same way that better sanitation came after the Spanish flu 100 years ago, post-pandemic innovations for commercial developers will emerge, said Jennifer D. Roberts, an assistant professor of kinesiology at the University of Maryland School of Public Health who has studied human health as it relates to commuter rail proximity.

“This is an opportunity to think in new ways, but people will still want to live close to transit,” she said.

The challenge for developers will be marrying density with safety, which will now require an interdisciplinary approach.

The era of a single architect designing buildings is over, Jackson said, and transit-oriented development will need to bring in the best minds from design, health and transit to come up with living spaces that are conducive to community but also the well-being of residents.

Developers are already starting to consider new design plans.

Transit-oriented developments “will be much, much more focused on public health,” said John W. Hempelmann, a lawyer in Seattle and a former chairman of the Transit-Oriented Development Council of the Urban Land Institute.

Expect more open spaces, broader sidewalks, slimmer roads and promenades in the future, Hempelmann said. Consideration for social distancing, along with more robust preparation, will mitigate the effects of any future pandemics, he added.

Seattle has several transit-oriented developments under construction, including a 24,240-square-foot project in the University District, which will feature a mixed-use high-rise with more than 200 apartments a few blocks from a planned light rail stop.

“No one knew what TOD meant 15 years ago,” Hempelmann said. “Now, it is an extraordinarily popular concept.”

But the excitement around transit-oriented development could be tempered as Americans adapt to telecommuting, decreasing the need for some to live close to mass transit, said Bob Youngentob, chief executive of EYA, a developer based in Maryland that builds transit-oriented developments in the Washington area.

The desire for denser developments might diminish, he said, and his company may switch its focus to townhomes.

“The forced interaction of sharing doors and elevators has caused some anxiety,” Youngentob said. “Townhomes, where you come in and out of your door, and you know you are the only one touching your door handle, provide some comfort.”

Despite worries over the pandemic, Carney, the Silver Spring resident, said the pandemic had not made her regret her family’s decision to locate near Washington’s light rail line.

“The hope is that this is not permanent, and this is why it is still worth it,” she said. “If it were permanent, it might change my thinking.”
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^It is interesting, but it could have benefited from some basic fact checking. Washington D.C.'s Metro system is heavy rail, not light rail. Yonah Freemark shared some other critiques of the article via Twitter:

https://twitter.com/yfreemark/status...14031987855364
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Information on Stop the Tower organization.

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/arts...oning-11468943
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https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/arts...oning-11468943
He has some reasonable arguments, but I’d have more sympathy for his cause if he ditched the “height is blight” slogan.
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The Wiki says 1976, which coincides with my recollection of the history of the block--it was extremely run down at this point and there wasn't much worth saving at the time. Things were very old, but the history wasn't realized. The redevelopment of the block along with everything else coincides with the 70s construction boom that mirrored other cities.
My family moved to Phoenix in 1996 and I only remember Patriots Square Park with that sculpture that someone in a book once described as looking like it was the aftermath of a patio furniture fire, but we used that garage frequently to park for Suns (and maybe also Diamondbacks?) games before the garage mahal was built.
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In the late 80's (maybe early 90's) we used to take the kids there to play with the lasers on the big sails in the middle of the park. I don't remember when they built those but it wasn't all that long before.

edit: this link says it was built in '86 https://downtownvoices.org/2008/08/0...e-coming-down/
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He has some reasonable arguments, but I’d have more sympathy for his cause if he ditched the “height is blight” slogan.
His arguments are trash. This is on the corner of a major intersection and is surrounded on the other two sides by an entire golf course. No homes are anywhere near the proposed site. Then he complains about the country club trying to increase revenue so it doesn't have to close... so? Seems logical to me? What's wrong with them wanting to stay open and in return we get more positive development where a parking lot once sat.
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His arguments are trash. This is on the corner of a major intersection and is surrounded on the other two sides by an entire golf course. No homes are anywhere near the proposed site. Then he complains about the country club trying to increase revenue so it doesn't have to close... so? Seems logical to me? What's wrong with them wanting to stay open and in return we get more positive development where a parking lot once sat.
As a business, the Country Club is allowed to try and increase it's revenue. I hope city council bulldozes this movement. They've already worked with the residents and the developer to make everyone happy and reduced the height substantially from the original proposal. This movement is nothing more than an anti-development group.
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As a business, the Country Club is allowed to try and increase it's revenue. I hope city council bulldozes this movement. They've already worked with the residents and the developer to make everyone happy and reduced the height substantially from the original proposal. This movement is nothing more than an anti-development group.
The problem is his arguments have substantial precedent. Phoenix is not a city that plops towers wherever developers want, and you have to respect that precedent. If you live in a R1 single family neighborhood, you expect that moving forward. Rezoning is a change in the law so every case demands scrutiny.

The general height limit in Phoenix is 56' outside of village cores. They can do Urban Residential which in some circumstances allows 80', or they're going the PUD route where they write their own zoning code and ask for whatever they want. That's where we're at right now and I'd say no to this tower.

It sucks that the Country Club is losing revenue, but I at the end of the day don't give a shit about a county island golf course running on an obsolete business model. I wouldn't shed a tear if the whole thing were redeveloped and annexed to Phoenix.
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The Phoenix City Council unanimously voted in favor of the Country Club development during its meeting yesterday.
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The Phoenix City Council unanimously voted in favor of the Country Club development during its meeting yesterday.


Edit: I really see no reason for this not to have passed. It's either a parking lot or something else. I do not think the Country Club is going under or was not making a profit. I just think their profit margin was small and they wanted to supplement it with this type of development. The course inevitably closing down and being developed into something else is probably never happen for many, many years. Is the development perfect? No. Is it the worse they could come up with? Not even close. This whole stretch of 7th Ave between the Country Club to Osborn is getting old with many closed businesses, gas stations, etc.. I see no reason why something like this could be a catalyst for the area for much needed redevelopment. Yes there are single family homes in adjacent streets. But they are no more adjacent to this proposed tower than historical districts are to Midtown towers that are twice as tall and it seems to work there with no fuss.
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