Ontario Highways

[Dengler Avenue]

The cone-zone speed limit on the 400 is back to 100 kph between Major MacKenzie Drive and King Road(?), instead of staying at 80 kph. What gives?

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

The cone-zone speed limit on the 400 is back to 100 kph between Major MacKenzie Drive and King Road(?), instead of staying at 80 kph. What gives?

It was down to 80?

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

It was down to 80?

I think it was 80 for quite some time as soon as we went north of Major McKenzie Drive. I don’t remember. It’s been a while since I went up that way (though surprisingly I went up the 400 twice this weekend).

You can check out my photos with disclaimers on Facebook.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I think it was 80 for quite some time as soon as we went north of Major McKenzie Drive. I don’t remember. It’s been a while since I went up that way (though surprisingly I went up the 400 twice this weekend).

You can check out my photos with disclaimers on Facebook.

So, I was doing 40 over instead of 20 over?

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

So, I was doing 40 over instead of 20 over?

Unfortunately... yes... That’s why at one point Sergeant Kerry Schmidt had to warn those that went 130+ kph.

[Dengler Avenue]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thes...orkplaces.html

Is highway building (i.e. widening 401 from 4 to 6 lanes, extending 400 and 417) considered essential?

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thes...orkplaces.html

Is highway building (i.e. widening 401 from 4 to 6 lanes, extending 400 and 417) considered essential?

https://www.680news.com/2020/03/23/c...al-workplaces/

27. Construction projects and services required to ensure safe and reliable operations of critical provincial infrastructure, including transit, transportation, energy and justice sectors beyond the day-to-day maintenance;

So, yes.
The list seems like just about everything is open.

[Dengler Avenue]

Okay. Quebec took the opposite approach. Even constructions on new infrastructures are suspended.
Welp, there probably goes my dream of driving on a contiguous QC-A85 in 2025.

[wave46]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

The cone-zone speed limit on the 400 is back to 100 kph between Major MacKenzie Drive and King Road(?), instead of staying at 80 kph. What gives?

Uh, oops. I didn't notice that on my last trip back and forth.

I feel like going with the flow was safe, even if the flow was doing 110-120, because the cops would have to pull over everybody.

[Dengler Avenue]

https://twitter.com/southsimcoeps/st...079104513?s=21

Wow... 205 kph in a 40-kph zone... That’s something else.

[Dengler Avenue]

Random question: Why did MTO number the 2nd (tolled) Durham N-S Link as 418 instead of 457, based on the RR 57 nearby? That RR is quite a major route.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Random question: Why did MTO number the 2nd (tolled) Durham N-S Link as 418 instead of 457, based on the RR 57 nearby? That RR is quite a major route.

What is the highway going to Peterbourough?

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

what is the highway going to peterbourough?

115

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

115

My mistake. I thought it was 118.....

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

My mistake. I thought it was 118.....

From Bracebridge to Highway 28 somewhere deep in the Haliburton~

I mean, the blub around Bancroft is uncharted area for me.

[Djeffery]

Even if 115 was 118, I don't think they would have used 418 for the new toll link, as they would likely want to reduce confusion between the 2 roads, and also I would think they would want to save the 4xx for future naming of an upgraded 115. I don't know whey they specifically chose 418, but 457 doesn't seem to fit in with the current numbering system, and there are just as many 400-series that don't have some relation to another highway nearby as there are that do, from a numbering perspective. Maybe they looked at what was available and thought maybe 408 and 411 might get used elsewhere and that superstition got in the way of 413, so maybe they flipped a coin between 414 and 418.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

Even if 115 was 118, I don't think they would have used 418 for the new toll link, as they would likely want to reduce confusion between the 2 roads, and also I would think they would want to save the 4xx for future naming of an upgraded 115. I don't know whey they specifically chose 418, but 457 doesn't seem to fit in with the current numbering system, and there are just as many 400-series that don't have some relation to another highway nearby as there are that do, from a numbering perspective. Maybe they looked at what was available and thought maybe 408 and 411 might get used elsewhere and that superstition got in the way of 413, so maybe they flipped a coin between 414 and 418.

I've always thought that the new rule is to assume the nearby replaced highway though, like 427 for 27. Obviously for something like 400 for 69 (or 404 for 48 in the future, or even 406 for 140 & 58 if that ever happens), that's because the ship has sailed.

[Djeffery]

Is there such a rule though? Where was highway 1 that became 401? I would think it would more correctly be called 402. 403 should more be 405 than 403. 402 crosses 2 but goes nowhere in relation to it. 404? Should 406 be 406, or should have been saved for somewhere near highway 6, like the Hanlon in Guelph and the hopeful expansion to Hamilton. 427 is the highest 400 series commonly used (aside from the supposed 451 number assigned to the QEW for internal government purposes). RR 57 wasn't even a provincial highway, unlike neighbouring 12 and 412. Maybe the rule you are thinking of, if it exists, is as you say, a "replaced" highway. 416, 417 for example, replaced and incorporated parts of 16 and 17.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

Is there such a rule though? Where was highway 1 that became 401? I would think it would more correctly be called 402. 403 should more be 405 than 403. 402 crosses 2 but goes nowhere in relation to it. 404? Should 406 be 406, or should have been saved for somewhere near highway 6, like the Hanlon in Guelph and the hopeful expansion to Hamilton. 427 is the highest 400 series commonly used (aside from the supposed 451 number assigned to the QEW for internal government purposes). RR 57 wasn't even a provincial highway, unlike neighbouring 12 and 412. Maybe the rule you are thinking of, if it exists, is as you say, a "replaced" highway. 416, 417 for example, replaced and incorporated parts of 16 and 17.

I read it from the History of King's Highways... (I think it's managed by sonysnob?)

I think MTO tries to adhere to this rule as much as it can nowadays (though, in that case, 418 is a real anomaly). It's also interesting that for 400 through 409 (aka the ones apparently numbered by the order of construction), we don't have 408. It just seems that, for 410 and onward, MTO does bring in this new rule, i.e. 410 for 10, 412 for 12, 416 for 16, 417 for 17, 420 for 20, 427 for 27.

[sonysnob]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I read it from the History of King's Highways... (I think it's managed by sonysnob?)

I think MTO tries to adhere to this rule as much as it can nowadays (though, in that case, 418 is a real anomaly). It's also interesting that for 400 through 409 (aka the ones apparently numbered by the order of construction), we don't have 408. It just seems that, for 410 and onward, MTO does bring in this new rule, i.e. 410 for 10, 412 for 12, 416 for 16, 417 for 17, 420 for 20, 427 for 27.

There's no such rule for the numbering of 400-series highways.

For the oldest 400 series highways, they were just numbered sequentially. It wasn't until the 1970s that the practice of numbering 400-series highways based on adjacent highways became common, and it's still not a hard and fast rule.

The former Highway 18 was located in Windsor, obviously nowhere near the recently opened 418, for example.