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Raymond LuxuryYacht · #**741** Posted **Nov 10, 2017, 3:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by 1487

who is and isnt business friendly in an incentive rich environment means nothing. IT's already been established that states of all kinds are offering GENEROUS incentives to amazon that will insulate them from their normal tax structure. who cares about PA or NY or IL being supposedly anti business when amazon wont pay many taxes in any of them?

Tax incentives are not necessarily permanent and can expire based on legislative priorities and political changes unless they are made permanent. The laws in place that create either an incentive or general disincentive business climate are more permanent. This is a long term investment in a city and that has to be taken into account.

ok-ez · #**742** Posted **Nov 10, 2017, 3:16 PM**

great piece on tax incentives including amazon
https://youtu.be/8bl19RoR7lc

summersm343 · #**743** Posted **Nov 14, 2017, 1:56 AM**

New Park Underway Next to 30th Street Station

Read more here:
http://www.ocfrealty.com/naked-phill...street-station

jsbrook · #**744** Posted **Nov 15, 2017, 11:11 AM**

Is this Septa entrance relocating longterm once this is a park? Is that what the oculus-esque thing in the Plaza is? I hope they at least make the entrance more attractive if they leave it here. I am generally not a fan of parks right next to traffic (2 busy roads), but the planting of mature trees all along the edges to separate the parklet from traffic is a great idea and could really help the experience there.

skyscraper · #**745** Posted **Nov 15, 2017, 2:07 PM**

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Is this Septa entrance relocating longterm once this is a park?

just as an aside, this is a pet peeve of mine. why do people call these things SEPTA entrances? why not subway entrances? in new york, no one refers to the transit agency (NYCTA or MTA), they just call it the subway. in chicago, it's just the el.

jsbrook · #**746** Posted **Nov 15, 2017, 2:11 PM**

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just as an aside, this is a pet peeve of mine. why do people call these things SEPTA entrances? why not subway entrances? in new york, no one refers to the transit agency (NYCTA or MTA), they just call it the subway. in chicago, it's just the el.

I did not give it much thought. I was going by the SEPTA sign...Not sure why calling it that would rub you the wrong way, though.

skyscraper · #**747** Posted **Nov 15, 2017, 2:21 PM**

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I did not give it much thought. I was going by the SEPTA sign...Not sure why calling it that would rub you the wrong way, though.

I don't mean just you, I hear it all the time on the news, etc. it just bothers me. it's just one of my stupid hang ups.

Parkway · #**748** Posted **Nov 15, 2017, 2:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by skyscraper

just as an aside, this is a pet peeve of mine. why do people call these things SEPTA entrances? why not subway entrances? in new york, no one refers to the transit agency (NYCTA or MTA), they just call it the subway. in chicago, it's just the el.

It kind of pedantic but it's because that's not a subway entrance. It's an entrance to the El and Trolley lines. The Subway is 15 blocks east under Broad Street. Especially among old heads the Subway is not a type of service but a specific line.

SEFTA · #**749** Posted **Nov 15, 2017, 4:07 PM**

I wish they'd use something like "Red Line" or "Blue Line"

1487 · #**750** Posted **Nov 15, 2017, 4:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Raymond LuxuryYacht

Tax incentives are not necessarily permanent and can expire based on legislative priorities and political changes unless they are made permanent. The laws in place that create either an incentive or general disincentive business climate are more permanent. This is a long term investment in a city and that has to be taken into account.

No doubt, but comparing cities based on their ACTUAL current tax burdens is pointless in a case such as this. No matter where they go Amazon will end up paying next to nothing in taxes. Thats the bottom line. Any deal they strike will have terms lasting 10-15 years easily. If they decide to relocate or shrink the operation 15 years from now I'm sure that's a possibility. One of Philly's biggest tax burdens applies to products sold here and that will barely affect Amazon just like it barely affects other big corporations that do 99% of their sales outside of PHilly.

1487 · #**751** Posted **Nov 15, 2017, 4:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by jsbrook

Is this Septa entrance relocating longterm once this is a park? Is that what the oculus-esque thing in the Plaza is? I hope they at least make the entrance more attractive if they leave it here. I am generally not a fan of parks right next to traffic (2 busy roads), but the planting of mature trees all along the edges to separate the parklet from traffic is a great idea and could really help the experience there.

no- park replaces parking lot. Has no bearing on sidewalk or transit entrance.

Parkway · #**752** Posted **Nov 15, 2017, 4:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by SEFTA

I wish they'd use something like "Red Line" or "Blue Line"

I mean they've tried, it just didn't stick. Same way they will always be Pattison Ave, Market East, and the P&W.

Knight Hospitaller · #**753** Posted **Nov 15, 2017, 4:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by 1487

no- park replaces parking lot. Has no bearing on sidewalk or transit entrance.

I haven't compared renderings, but I recently saw one that had the same old SEPTA/El/Subway/Blue Line entrance that is there. I hope that the SY folk will find it in their interest to offer to "fix" it for SEPTA. It will stick out like a sore thumb when the park is completed.

jsbrook · #**754** Posted **Nov 15, 2017, 5:22 PM**

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no- park replaces parking lot. Has no bearing on sidewalk or transit entrance.

Meh. No good.

Mr Saturn64 · #**755** Posted **Nov 15, 2017, 6:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Knight Hospitaller

I haven't compared renderings, but I recently saw one that had the same old SEPTA/El/Subway/Blue Line entrance that is there. I hope that the SY folk will find it in their interest to offer to "fix" it for SEPTA. It will stick out like a sore thumb when the park is completed.

Yeah. Although I'd wager a lot of people use the tunnel that connects it to 30th. Still, it would be way better if they'd build something like the station at Dilworth Park.

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I mean they've tried, it just didn't stick. Same way they will always be Pattison Ave, Market East, and the P&W.

Agreed. I still call it Market East, although I think things like the P&W becoming the NHSL and the El becoming the MFL are just age differences.

1487 · #**756** Posted **Nov 15, 2017, 6:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Knight Hospitaller

I haven't compared renderings, but I recently saw one that had the same old SEPTA/El/Subway/Blue Line entrance that is there. I hope that the SY folk will find it in their interest to offer to "fix" it for SEPTA. It will stick out like a sore thumb when the park is completed.

new elevators will be added at 31st street to provide better access from the west.

Developers usually don't control or replace headhouses. I think this was done 10-15 years ago.

DocAwesome · #**757** Posted **Nov 15, 2017, 7:47 PM**

Yeah the Subway entrance was completely redone not long ago. Replacing it would be a giant waste.

Groundhog · #**758** Posted **Nov 15, 2017, 9:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Mr Saturn64

Agreed. I still call it Market East, although I think things like the P&W becoming the NHSL and the El becoming the MFL are just age differences.

Definitely an age thing. Just like East/West River Drive vs Kelly/MLK (I don't think I've actually heard anybody ever call West River MLK tho).

allovertown · #**759** Posted **Nov 16, 2017, 3:12 AM**

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Definitely an age thing. Just like East/West River Drive vs Kelly/MLK (I don't think I've actually heard anybody ever call West River MLK tho).

I've never in my life heard anyone refer to NHSL as the P&W. The rest I agree are age related, though I feel like some such EL/MFL are terms I use interchangeably and don't really favor one over the other.

Mr Saturn64 · #**760** Posted **Nov 16, 2017, 3:23 AM**

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Definitely an age thing. Just like East/West River Drive vs Kelly/MLK (I don't think I've actually heard anybody ever call West River MLK tho).

"West River Drive" flows off the tongue better than "MLK" On the contrary, I personally think "Kelly Drive" works better than "East River Drive" My parents call the NHSL the P&W, and MFL/El for me is interchangeable, though it depends on where in the city I am. I'm not inclined to call it "the El" when it's technically under me.