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Let's compare regular season wins between 2009-10 and 2018-19. Vancouver: 391. Calgary: 384.
Let's compare playoff wins: Vancouver: 24. Calgary: 6.
Let's compare Presidents Trophies: Vancouver: 2. Calgary: 0.
Let's compare Clarence S. Campbell Bowls: Vancouver: 1. Calgary: 0.
Let's compare Art Ross Trophy winners: Vancouver: 2. Calgary: 0.
Let's compare Hart Trophy winners: Vancouver: 1. Calgary: 0.
Let's compare Lady Byng Trophy winners: Vancouver: 0. Calgary: 2.

And what do you have to show for all this massive success that warrants bragging? jack shit? nice try son...
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2019, 10:07 PM
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According to Complete Hockey News, the NHL has apologized to the Golden Knights for the wrong call on the 5 minute major in game 7. lol, whoops!
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2019, 10:27 PM
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According to Complete Hockey News, the NHL has apologized to the Golden Knights for the wrong call on the 5 minute major in game 7. lol, whoops!
How Vegas fans feel seeing that:

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All four #1 seeds eliminated, all four Wild Card teams advance. This pretty much blows everything wide open.
If seeding doesn't mean sh*t and its everyone's game how is it a Canadian team hasn't won since the cap was introduced.

The cap works just fine if you don't have to deal with the recruitment issues that exist in Canada.

If there were no cap Hamilton and Quebec would own relocated southern teams, and the Leafs/Canucks/Montreal would of bought a few cups by now.

The salary cap helps weak market teams in places where no one gives a dam about hockey, which is exactly what Bettman engineered.

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According to Complete Hockey News, the NHL has apologized to the Golden Knights for the wrong call on the 5 minute major in game 7. lol, whoops!
Anyone who has played hockey for (Any) amount of time knows this call was crap. Utter garbage. This new crop of officials are like society...Sensitive and lack facts and proper vision lol. Brutal.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2019, 10:59 PM
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If seeding doesn't mean sh*t and its everyone's game how is a Canadian team hasn't won since the cap was introduced.

The cap works just fine if you don't have to deal with the recruitment issues that exist in Canada.

If there were no cap Hamilton and Quebec would have relocated southern teams, and the Leafs/Canucks/Montreal would of bought a few cups by now.

The salary cap helps weak market teams in places where no one gives a dam about hockey, which is exactly what Bettman engineered.
Canadian teams haven't won due to a combination of bad luck and bad management. Since 2004, 4 Canadian teams have made the cup final and just couldn't close it out. It has nothing to do with the salary cap.
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Canadian teams haven't won due to a combination of bad luck and bad management. Since 2004, 4 Canadian teams have made the cup final and just couldn't close it out. It has nothing to do with the salary cap.
I agree, and 3 of those 4 finalists pushed the series to 7 games. It could easily have been 3 Canadian Stanley Cup teams in the cap era.

The cap era was definitely in place to help out the smaller markets and non-hockey markets - but it's not the reason why Canadians haven't won.
     
     
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I agree, and 3 of those 4 finalists pushed the series to 7 games. It could easily have been 3 Canadian Stanley Cup teams in the cap era.

The cap era was definitely in place to help out the smaller markets and non-hockey markets - but it's not the reason why Canadians haven't won.
Alright so if the 7 teams of Canada were all in 1 division you wouldn't think its shocking that not even 1 has gotten the cup in 15 years.

We should have a 20 percent chance of winning almost every cup.

That'd be a win every 5 years and were not even close to that. Not 1 team made it into round 2. The writing is on the wall Canada will not win in this format. The Jets have run out of rope, the leafs are forever stuck in the "its the choaching and the pressure, and not the fact that no one wants to live in a city with such high living costs" until the end of time, with the rest forever being on the rebuild.

Calgary is the only hope for this country in more ways than 1.
     
     
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That'd be a win every 5 years and were not even close to that. Not 1 team made it into round 2. The writing is on the wall Canada will not win in this format. The Jets have run out of rope, the leafs are forever stuck in the "its the choaching and the pressure, and not the fact that no one wants to live in a city with such high living costs" until the end of time, with the rest forever being on the rebuild.
You're actually going to cite living costs as a deterrent for professional athletes? Especially after the Leafs landed the biggest free agent of the decade...
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You're actually going to cite living costs as a deterrent for professional athletes? Especially after the Leafs landed the biggest free agent of the decade...
Tavares is from the city, don't think that's a reliable recruitment plan.
     
     
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Tavares is from the city, don't think that's a reliable recruitment plan.
It actually is considering how many NHL players are from the GTA. In any case they won't be in a position to sign any big name FAs because of their salary cap situation.
     
     
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Patrick Marleau, and two Russian defensemen who chose Toronto out of the KHL.

Not to mention free agency is a small piece of the puzzle to win. Winnipeg is ranked by players as one of the lease desirable place yet they built one of the best teams in the league last year regardless.

Just to answer your other point for fun. You want a GTA-born team?

Tavares - Mcdavid - Stamkos
Seguin - Scheifele (Kitchener) - Marner

Giordano - Burns (Barrie)
Subban - Pietrangelo

Fill in the rest however you want
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If that call happened to the Canucks under the same circumstances, I would be shaking my head in disbelief non stop for at 2 days. Even though video review slows things up, you gotta get these calls right. Gary Bettman called me yesterday to get my input. For play-offs, 5 minute majors will be subject to video review starting in next years play-offs.
     
     
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We should have a 20 percent chance of winning almost every cup.
Outside of Canadian teams, there are 14 other teams who haven't won a cup in the cap era (not counting Vegas as they're only 2 years old), and only 5 of them have made it to the finals. That's twice as many teams not winning a cup as Canadian teams.

And of the cup winners, 3 teams account for 8 cup wins - so not that many different teams have won it.

There's nothing weird about one of the 7 Canadian teams (6 for half of that time) not winning a cup in the cap era. It's just a random and very minor coincidence. You could probably find some other random variable and use it to attribute to certain teams not winning the cup.
     
     
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You're actually going to cite living costs as a deterrent for professional athletes? Especially after the Leafs landed the biggest free agent of the decade...
Athletes definitely take into account things like personal income tax rates when selecting cities (along with weather...). It's why Florida and California are such popular destinations for players. In Canada you're losing 50%+ of your salary, in the US it's between 30%-40%. Adds up over time.

That, and if you can show up to the rink in flip flops for practice in December, i'd probably take that, too.
     
     
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Athletes definitely take into account things like personal income tax rates when selecting cities (along with weather...). It's why Florida and California are such popular destinations for players. In Canada you're losing 50%+ of your salary, in the US it's between 30%-40%. Adds up over time.

That, and if you can show up to the rink in flip flops for practice in December, i'd probably take that, too.
States like Florida and Texas have an advantage given that they don't impose income taxes. But beyond that the difference is pretty minor and I doubt taxes and cost of living are more than a small part of the puzzle in terms of deciding where to go... I can't imagine anyone earning seven figures is going to be too concerned about the cost of living in NYC, for example... and if they are, they can always live in New Jersey.
     
     
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Athletes definitely take into account things like personal income tax rates when selecting cities (along with weather...). It's why Florida and California are such popular destinations for players. In Canada you're losing 50%+ of your salary, in the US it's between 30%-40%. Adds up over time.

That, and if you can show up to the rink in flip flops for practice in December, i'd probably take that, too.
Everybody has their own preferences. Shane Doan loved Phoenix and is still there despite playing most of his career in an empty barn. Max Domi flamed out in Phoenix and lost focus, but since going to Montreal (albeit in a trade so he had no real say in the matter) he's been really good. Some players need pressure to thrive and want the spotlight. Others, not so much.

The calculations also get more complicated for taxes when you take into account a players place of residence and state jock taxes for visiting teams in the US.

Contrary to popular belief, players in California are now over 40%, but still below the Canadian clubs which are pushing 50% (Montreal is highest at 49.7%). Florida, Texas, Tennessee and Nevada have no income tax at the state level, so they only have to deal with the 31% federal income tax, which was a probably a big reason Stamkos stayed in Tampa. New York is 42%, Toronto is 47%, so not quite a wash but not enough to really detract from going to your hometown either as far a John Tavares was concerned.

A lot of players have started to exploit the system by getting paid in signing bonuses in Canada, which CRA can only tax for 15% while maintaining a residence in the US. When he signed in Toronto, Phil Kessel exploited the hell out of the CBA, CRA and IRS rules by getting an annual signing bonus and maintaining his offseason home in Florida. He basically exempted 1/3 of his salary from the CRA by getting a signing bonus, and avoided state taxes by living in Florida for 5 months per year.
     
     
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Contrary to popular belief, players in California are now over 40%, but still below the Canadian clubs which are pushing 50% (Montreal is highest at 49.7%). Florida, Texas, Tennessee and Nevada have no income tax at the state level, so they only have to deal with the 31% federal income tax, which was a probably a big reason Stamkos stayed in Tampa. New York is 42%, Toronto is 47%, so not quite a wash but not enough to really detract from going to your hometown either as far a John Tavares was concerned.
https://www.capfriendly.com/post_tax_calculator

This is a handy tool, on the topic of this subject.

On a salary of $5M MTL/TOR/OTT are at 53% taxed salary, whereas DAL/FLA/NSH/TB/VGK are 36%. That means you take home $3.15M in TX/FL/NV/TN the states and $2.4M in ON/QC. Again, it adds up over time.


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A lot of players have started to exploit the system by getting paid in signing bonuses in Canada, which CRA can only tax for 15% while maintaining a residence in the US. When he signed in Toronto, Phil Kessel exploited the hell out of the CBA, CRA and IRS rules by getting an annual signing bonus and maintaining his offseason home in Florida. He basically exempted 1/3 of his salary from the CRA by getting a signing bonus, and avoided state taxes by living in Florida for 5 months per year.
On this note, and since you mentioned Tavares, I seem to recall his contract being signing bonus heavy. IIRC this was done so that his signing bonuses could be paid to him as a NY resident rather than as an ON resident.
     
     
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He said, "no one wants to live in a city with such high living costs." Toronto shares the same or similar tax burden as Ottawa and almost every other Canadian metro which implies the costs he was referring to were Toronto-specific, ie. housing, transportation, etc. Things that are not a deterrent to anyone making over a million a year.

California should not be grouped with Florida as a tax haven. It has one of the highest tax burdens for athletes anywhere in the States. That calculator looks to be too simplistic in that it isn't calculating take-home pay based on the jock tax. Professional athletes are taxed in the jurisdiction that they play each individual game in. That means only half of a Canuck player's salary is actually taxed in B.C.

Someone playing for LA would have all of their home games plus an additional ~8 games against SJ and Anaheim taxed at California's highest bracket of 12%, making it one of the most expensive places to play. Federal tax obviously puts a higher burden on Canadian-based players, but their sponsorship potential is also increased in Canada's largest cities
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