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Old Posted Jan 20, 2015, 1:15 AM
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I'd be a fan of that for sure.
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Call me the skeptic, but I don't see this happening, at least not any time soon. Where are the RC construction crews? And all the other "on paper " proposals. If this was Darko V, I would start to get excited
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I think they could put 20 stories smack in the middle of this block and it would sit well with both King and King William. I'm more concerned about the effect on King William because it's a small, cozy street with a consistent wall, where a tower would totally jar the empire building and shops on both sides. On King you have towers at James and at the Connaught, but it's also a huge promenade where the height wouldn't loom so much.

As for Frisina, there are a few red flags. They've sat on that property at Queen and Main for no reason for so long. They also didn't buy this property and so I wonder if their incentive is as strong to get moving. They were perfectly happy to rent to that godawful bingo hall in it for so long.
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Yeah, we do have to keep in mind that they don't even OWN the property yet, which says a lot. The empty lot at Main and Queen is another thing as well, a property that is probably very desirable now that the Vranich buildings are up a few blocks to the East. If they can't even make a go of that first, I think a giant condo at King and Hughson is a farther way off. Hence my worry of a Blanchard situation, though they would have to at least own it first for that to happen.
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If this was Darko V, I would start to get excited
Though just a few years ago his name drew much skepticism too.

I guess we'll see. This was just an early announcement of an intention to present a plan in a couple months.
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PAUL WILSON: $50-million condo future for old Kresge building?
Frisina Group has big plans

http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story...sge-building-/

A year ago yesterday, they closed the doors of Delta Bingo, King East at Hughson. Slots, lotteries, smoking bans were killing the business. Good riddance, some said.

But the alternative has been worse. On a prime corner of the core, there is a vast emptiness.

Before bingo, the space belonged to royalty in the world of the five and dime — S.S. Kresge. The chain arrived in Hamilton in 1930 with the largest single-floor variety store in Canada. And with an addition in 1948, the space stretched back to King William Street.

For years, 75 per cent of the store's wares were made in Canada. It had a full-fledged restaurant and lunch counter. Up the marble stairs, a complete bakery operation.

Then the discounters muscled out the five and dimes. Kresge's became Kmart. When the Kresge's closed in downtown Hamilton in 1994, it was the country's last.

The building went on the market at $2.8 million, but values in the core had plummeted. A pair of bingo barons bought it in 1996 for $800,000.

In recent years, with downtown prospects on the rise, investors got interested in the Kresge building. But the bingo operators would only sell to someone willing to lease the property right back to them.

And the Frisina Group was willing to do that, for something like $3 million two years ago. Ralph Frisina guessed the bingo people wouldn't be using the space much longer. He was right. They left after a year.

Ralph's father was Alfonso (Al) Frisina, the man who built Hamilton's tallest building four decades ago. It's now called Landmark Place, Main East at Catharine. Alphonso called it Century 21, because it was all about the future. While he had to chop the heliport and revolving rooftop restaurant, he did erect a 44-storey wonder.

He soon lost it in a mountain of mortgages and tax arrears, but when he died eight years ago he left behind an impressive construction portfolio — schools, postal stations, apartment towers, home developments in the suburbs.

Five years ago, the Frisina Group bought land at Main and Queen, where the vintage Forbes gas station operated until Shell sent them packing. Disappointingly, it remains an empty lot.

Ralph says the original concept to locate a real estate office there fell through. Then they redid plans to accommodate a bank. They thought that was a done deal, but it got squelched at the bank's head office. The Frisinas have now put the lot back on the market, but declare that won't be happening with the Kresge property.

Ralph says the whole family — his three brothers and two sisters — are involved in the business today. Their initial plans for the Kresge building were simple: renovate it and lure a major retailer, something like Winners. That hasn't worked.

So the family decided it was time to go big. A legacy project? "Yeah, probably. We're all little older now," says Ralph, 63.

There are plans and sketches in his briefcase. He provides a quick glimpse, but they're not ready for public viewing.

Within 60 days, he says, the Frisina Group will present a $50-million plan to the city for comments. It involves knocking down the Kresge store and building five storeys of condo lofts on its footprint. And on the parking lot at the back, off King William, a 20-storey condo tower. Between the two, about 150 units. A model suite would be installed in the old store.

The Frisinas realize it's different days in the core. "One thing is the young people," Ralph says. "They're excited about the things that are happening. They want to be downtown."

He thinks increased GO service is huge. And rapid transit would be too. "You've got to look ahead," he says.

If every project touted on these pages came to pass, Hamilton would be Manhattan by now. But this is one to watch.

There is one important issue. While the Kresge building is not designated under the Ontario Heritage Act, it is registered. That means there would be a sixty-day waiting period before issuance of a demolition permit. All properties on the Gore are protected this way, thanks to an initiative by ward councillor Jason Farr.

In the case of the Kresge building, Farr's main concern would be breaking up the consistent street wall on Gore Park. "A gap is out of the question," he says.

Condos in the core are great. A huge vacant lot at ground zero is not. No tearing down the old without guaranteed plans for the new.
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I remember the plan for an office at Main and Queen. To be honest, to me it didn’t seem like all that the location merits. I’m happy to hear the lot is back on the market, if there’s any chance it will be purchased by someone interested in doing something more intensive there.
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Their Town expands on the Century 21’s backstory :

“As early as 1959, developer Alf Frisina purchased property on the corner of Main and Catharine Streets, across from the site of what was to become Terminal Towers. Frisina had come to Canada from Italy in 1950 with virtually no assets and for several years had worked as a contractor. Eventually, he accumulated enough capital to purchase the land and start the planning of a twenty-storey office building (which would have been the city’s tallest building at the time), but he could not arrange financing. Over the years he added to his property and his dreams grew bigger. In 1969 it seemed as if the financing was all arranged and a large billboard was put up, announcing that the project would be completed in August 1971. Again the deal fell through when Frisina could not find enough tenants to go ahead.

Members of city council favoured this project, believing that it would help stimulate development of the downtown, and a group of council members began negotiating with Frisina. Finally in January 1972 council agreed to rent 15,000 square feet of office space at $8.33 a square foot, or $125,000 a year, an amount well above rental rates at the time. On the basis of this incentive Frisina was able to get the rest of the mortgage money for the project. However, as Century 21 began construction it was announced that it had again grown in size. Now the building was to be a forty-five storey, $10 million project with ten floors of office space and thirty-five floors of apartments which were to rent from $200 to $1,000 a month. On the ground floor and basement there were to be stores and a recreation centre, and on the forty-fifth floor a restaurant-nightclub.

By 1974, in the midst of construction, problems were multiplying for the Frisina project. The city’s decision to rent space in the building was overturned by the Ontario Municipal Board. Vic Copps tried to come to the developer’s aid. In April 1974 he met with then Ontario Attorney General Robert Welch to discuss a proposal to expand the provincial court into the Century 21 tower. In his usual frank manner Copps said at the time that he “wanted to give the developer a hand to find tenants for his building,” but his efforts failed.

A month later, in May 1974, both Frisina and the developers of Civic Square, Yale, were engaged in an attempt to attract the new regional government offices. Finally, with the help of his political friends, Frisina was able to win the contract at $6.31 a square foot, a considerable drop from the $8.33 a square foot once offered by the city.

Despite all of these subsidies the Frisina project went bankrupt in the summer of 1977. By that time the financial affairs of Century 21 were in a hopeless state. There were still 100 apartment units that had never been rented, most of the retail space was still unoccupied, much of the office section of the building had never been completed, and a tenant was never found for the restaurant-nightclub.”
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More historical context.

Summit Park will outbuild Ancaster's Meadowlands
(Hamilton Spectator, Mark McNeil, April 21 2004)

It's called Summit Park but people will probably always know it as the start of Meadowlands East.

Whatever the name, the giant, sprawling $1-billion housing project on the southeast Mountain is planned to be even larger – on a residential basis – than its namesake in Ancaster.

By the time the 160 hectare-subdivision is finished more than a decade from now, its planners say more than 3,200 homes will be built.

That will create a 10,000-resident neighbourhood.

It's a project that suffered years of delays, an OMB hearing and an uncertain future because of postponements and challenges to the Red Hill Creek Expressway

But now the main developer, Multi-Area Developments, is set to start selling the first 500 units on May 1. Company president Aldo DeSantis says he already has a waiting list of 75 people interested in homes that will sell for between $215,000 to $350,000….

"This is where the growth in the city is going to be for the next 10 to 15 years," says DeSantis. His company owns 105 of the 160 hectares between Trinity Church Road, Highway 56, Rymal Road and a hydro corridor, he said.

The development company, 100 Main Street East Inc., owned by Al and Ralph Frisina, is the second largest land holder with 38 hectares, of which 12 hectares are being used for commercial development and 26 hectares for residential construction. Several smaller land holders own the rest.

"Once the Red Hill (Expressway) is finished ... I would say this whole area will take a life of its own because ... almost everywhere else in Hamilton is pretty well out of land. If not for this project, Hamilton would have only two or three years of land left (for residential development)," said DeSantis.

He says the expressway connecting upper Hamilton to the Queen Elizabeth Highway "will be the lynchpin" that will open "Summit Park to a large group of potential new homeowners through increased accessibility."

DeSantis says roads and sewers will be built this summer and fall to lay groundwork for houses that will start being built in November. A model home and a sales office have so far been constructed.

Also moving ahead with its part of the development is 100 Main Street East Inc., starting with commercial construction first.

"It will be big box kind of stores with some restaurants and hopefully movie theatres," said Al Frisina.

It's expected the nicknamed Meadowlands East will have slightly more homes but only about a third of the commercial development of its Ancaster namesake, said Frisina.

Resale houses have been selling at a record pace. And last month Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. (CMHC) said housing starts were up by 37 per cent over the same month last year in Hamilton.

The property used for Summit Park used to be Ontario Realty Corp. lands that were sold to developers in the late 1980s.



In May 2006, the City’s Growth Related Integrated Development Strategy (GRIDS) outlined a plan for population growth through 2031, including the conversion of 1,130 hectares (~2,800 acres) of farmland to housing be expanding the urban boundary around Elfrida (“Special Policy Area B,” the area around Upper Centennial & Rymal East). The largest urban expansion proposed under GRIDS, it was not the only one. A “special policy area” around the Hamilton International Airport has been more visible and contentious, but the Efrida SPA triggered its share of protest from local advocacy groups.

In February 2007, Al Frisina was among those urging the City to stay the course on the city’s GRIDS plan and not bend to groups pressing to eliminate urban expansion in this area (accommodating residential growth), reasoning that GRIDS was consistent with provincial policy directives.

The province, however, disagreed, contending that the City’s SPA designations were unjustified. The City pushed back, but the province responded by imposing 150+ changes to the City’s new rural official plan in December 2008, among them nixing the planned 2,800-acre expansion area around Elfrida.

In January 2009, Al Frisina was listed as one of more than 15 developers with land holdings within Special Policy Area B, which developers maintained which would “create a more attractive gateway into the City of Hamilton.”

In April 2011, council voted to take the province to the OMB over the Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing’s deletion of all mention of the Elfrida SPA development node from the official plan before approving said plan. (The area formerly known as the Elfrida SPA has also been linked to the pricey politicking around the proposed AEGD boundary expansion — linking AEGD to employment use and Elfrida to residential use.)

Since 2011, the City has earmarked $1M for preparatory studies associated with the proposed Elfrida expansion.
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They probably want to knock down the back portion. I doubt the Front of the building was built to support 20 stories on top. Do it! Hughson is a dead zone between king william and king.
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Do those plans include the parking lot (of Kick Ass fame) at all?
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Hamilton Spectator, Jan 19 2015:

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Within 60 days, Ralph Frisina says, the Frisina Group will present a $50-million plan to the city for comments.
Coming up on 160 days, has anyone seen/heard anything more on this?
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Coming up on 160 days, has anyone seen/heard anything more on this?


Nope, but I found this and emailed an inquiry. I'll post here if they respond. ( Of course I asked for permission to pass on any info)

http://www.frisinagroup.com/kresge
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Rumour I heard is that Liuna bought it and is planning a condo tower.

Has Liuna ever built a condo tower before, though?
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LIUNA has purchased the site.
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They made the announcement about 45 King when making the announcement that the student tower on James is officially being built.
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LIUNA has purchased the site.
Yeah that's what I heard. Parking lot closes on the 15th apparently.
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@RebuildHamilton - Wednesday, September 7, 2016 - Liuna also bought the KRESGE bldg. They won't announce details yet, but a little birdy told me it will be two 20+ storey towers. #HamOnt
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Downtown revival: LIUNA has two major projects for downtown core

Hamilton Spectator
By Steve Arnold
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/68...downtown-core/

A labour union with a long history of investing to create jobs for its members has started construction on a new residential tower in downtown Hamilton and is planning for another.

The Labourer's International Union of North America (LIUNA) is building a $40 million apartment tower for students beside the iconic Lister Block in the heart of the city at the same time as it is planning for another condo tower on the site of the derelict bingo hall at King and Hughson streets.

LIUNA vice-president Joe Mancinelli said the projects, financed from the union's pension plan, will be a major economic boost for the city and for his members.

"I'm convinced there will be some strong economic impact in this quadrant because of our project," he told a gathering on the construction site Thursday. "When you have 375 students pouring out onto James Street there will be some economic impact."

The project already underway is a 20-storey tower of 160 rental units to house students attending McMaster University, Mohawk College and other institutions. The proposed project will turn the former bingo hall into a mixed-use building including commercial, condo and rental units.

The new student tower will be immediately north of the Lister Block at the north-east corner of James Street North and King William Street. It's the site of the former William Thomas building, a 1850s-era building demolished as part of LIUNA's renovation of the Lister structure.

While the Thomas building is gone, its elaborate façade has been preserved — removed stone-by-stone, catalogued and stored in a warehouse waiting to be incorporated into the new tower.

Mancinelli said he felt it was important to preserve the historic part of the former building to save something of Hamilton's history for the future.

"When you tear everything down you're tearing down the nostalgia and the heritage, the soul of the city," he said in an interview. "People who live here want to walk down the street and see recognizable buildings and streetscapes. It makes them comfortable to say 'I remember this as a child.'"

Most of the units in the student tower will be designed to house four people each, although a few on the top floors will be small apartments for graduate students and researchers. Units will likely rent in the range of $500 to $600 a month.

The project fulfils a promise LIUNA made to the city when it sold the Lister Block to Hamilton for $25 million after completing its renovation. The commitment was for a project that would provide tax revenue for Hamilton's coffers.

Both projects will be financed from the union pension plan's year-old Conversion Fund — a pool of money for converting derelict commercial buildings to residential uses. LIUNA's pension plan is worth $6 billion.

Mancinelli said the bingo hall project is in the design phase.

Mayor Fred Eisenberger called the Lister Block "a real catalyst for this part of downtown" and said the new student housing "is exactly the right call for Hamilton."

"This is real city building in action," he added.

The city's planning director Jason Thorne was also excited to see the project underway after years of paper work.

"We create policy and programs to get to this point of seeing projects happen," he said. "This is a very exciting moment for the city staff."
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