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Old Posted Feb 4, 2023, 1:37 AM
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8 Shoreview Place | 84 & 120m | 25 & 37 fl | Approved

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Old Posted Feb 4, 2023, 2:12 AM
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This is a different development right? One is off Green rd (310 Frances) the other is off Millen (8 Shoreview).
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Old Posted Feb 4, 2023, 2:14 AM
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Yeah, I was about to say that was more change than expected. Different address.

But 8 Shoreview is a retirement building completed in 2017.
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Old Posted Feb 4, 2023, 2:24 AM
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Maybe this new development needs it's own thread.

There seems to be vacant land next to that retirement home.
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Old Posted Feb 4, 2023, 2:32 AM
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Yes, and that's gotta be it to the left of the towers in the render Joey posted.



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Old Posted Feb 5, 2023, 10:05 PM
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2023, 1:13 PM
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Interestingly, this site somehow appears to also not have a maximum height or density applying, which means this is also site plan approval only. And with Doug's changes to the planning act, site plan applications cannot be undelegated any longer, which means Council cannot interfere... Jeff Beattie is going to love this one.

Not sure how this keeps happening on the Stoney Creek waterfront.
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Interestingly, this site somehow appears to also not have a maximum height or density applying, which means this is also site plan approval only. And with Doug's changes to the planning act, site plan applications cannot be undelegated any longer, which means Council cannot interfere... Jeff Beattie is going to love this one.

Not sure how this keeps happening on the Stoney Creek waterfront.
I think decades ago nobody foresaw interest in tall towers. So maybe they just didn't worry about it, and old zoning was simply forgotten (especially anything that was pre-amalgamation).
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By the time the Frances development was in the news, was it too late to change zoning on this site?
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By the time the Frances development was in the news, was it too late to change zoning on this site?
I doubt fixing the zoning was even on the city’s radar. Even if it was, the best of cities would have this handled in… probably months-years. Besides, even if it was resolved, now there’s a precedent; developers would argue buildings in the area should be allowed of a similar size to Frances. And if that argument doesn’t convince the city, it would the OLT.

Frankly we should have planned this whole area a lot better. I would like to see a comprehensive plan for the eastern lakefront in Stoney creek that properly plans for the inevitable growth that has now been affirmed by the city at Frances and is beginning with this project.
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Seasons retirement home seeks to build twin towers near Stoney Creek lakeshore
Councillor questions area’s ability to handle extra people, traffic

https://www.thespec.com/local-stoney...mended_for_you

Coun. Jeff Beattie says he’s concerned a proposal to build two more residential towers near Stoney Creek’s lakeshore will overwhelm an area already poised to get three skyscrapers.

A site-plan application submitted to the city by the owner of the nine-storey Seasons retirement home in December seeks approval for a 949-unit development on an adjacent 1.07-hectare vacant lot that will include 43- and 36-storey towers.

The plan provides 1,161 parking spaces, most of them underground, with 48 set aside for the retirement home, which shares the 8 Shoreview Place property by Millen and North Service roads.

The development includes 933 residential units, 16 live-work units, 496 bicycle parking spots and 4,133 square metres of indoor and outdoor amenity space.

The application comes as the Ontario Land Tribunal is set to hold a May 25 hearing on a settlement with the city that will allow New Horizon Development Group to build three skyscrapers at 310 Frances Ave., about a half kilometre to the west.

Preliminary plans presented at a Feb. 3 OLT hearing show those towers will be 34, 44 and 37 storeys.

Beattie said the Seasons development raises similar concerns about the ability of the area’s existing roads, parks and sidewalks to handle the extra population, traffic and parking.

The plan proposes 1.17 parking spots per unit, below the 1.5 stipulated by city bylaws, which he said seems inadequate because there are no nearby shops or other basic commercial services.

“If you don’t have a car, you can’t live in this community, and so you have to have some place for those cars to park when they’re not being used,” Beattie said.

“You also create this shortfall where people constantly have to leave their community to undertake basic commercial functions, basic shopping, banking, services,” he said, adding the area is further isolated by lack of sidewalks on QEW overpasses.

“That I think doesn’t help to build the fabric of the community and I think that’s what community residents have been asking for. They want to build those foundational pieces to be able to have a complete community there and we’re still not getting there, unfortunately.”

But Seasons planning consultant Matt Johnson said the Shoreview Place site is one of two blocks of land in the area — along with 310 Frances Ave. — “purposefully selected to have no maximum density or height regulations” by zoning changes in 2010.

He said the goal was to offset overall reductions in the area’s density targets from 1973 plans that set aside 11 blocks for development but only saw the Bayliner and Shoreliner highrises built.

Johnson said the 2010 plan added amenity space, including a kilometre of shoreline protection work, nearly five hectares of public land dedications for a wetland and a 30-metre-wide park along the waterfront.

“I understand the councillor may have concerns with the proposed density, but it is important to be mindful the subject lands were identified in 2010 to accommodate the height and density within the broader plan of subdivision,” he said.

Viv Saunders, whose Lakewood Beach Community Council fought the Frances Avenue skyscrapers, said her group won’t be opposing the Seasons towers but worries the area lacks the amenities and street parking to support its “densification.”

“The roadways at least have segregated bike lanes on both sides. The roads are wider,” she said of the area by Seasons.

“It’s not going to overshadow any other places. It might block the for people in the Seasons (retirement home) of the sunset.”

Beattie said he plans to hold a public meeting as soon as possible to get neighbourhood feedback, identifying the nearby Bal Harbour and Frances Shores condo homeowners among those affected.

“I want to make sure we retain control of this as best we can,” Beattie said.
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Goodluck Beattie, hope you didn't write any cheques you cant cash with the residents in that area.
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Noticed on the way by this site today signs up for LIUNA and Fengate. They must have something to do with this proposal. Actually it was a trailer with LIUNA signage.
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How close is this project to the Frances project ?

A crane went up in this area - which project is the crane for ?
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Possibly Muse? (Thread) -- will be across the street from Frances project
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How close is this project to the Frances project ?

A crane went up in this area - which project is the crane for ?
The crane is for the Muse at Green Rd and the North Service. The shoreline site is at Millen and the North Service Rd. Beside the existing Seasons Retirement home.
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2023, 5:07 PM
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Looks much better than the previous version and is a bit more reasonable density than before. I appreciate the commercial at grade - that’ll be nice for the residents around here.
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8 Shoreview Place | 117 & 138m | 43 & 36 fl | Proposed -> 8 Shoreview Place | 84 & 120m | 25 & 37 fl | Approved
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2023, 3:18 PM
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I like this proposal better than the last, but those towers remind me of moon boots.
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