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Old Posted Jun 10, 2024, 8:39 PM
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It's surprising that there would be enough demand for this in a city with so few really tall buildings and so much available space downtown. I wouldn't expect to see this in a place with so many under-developed downtown lots.
Uhh...let's not act like Oklahoma hasn't done tall buildings next to parking lots before...


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If the developers have financing maybe they should hire an architect too? (given it would be the tallest in the usa... it's as dull as dishwater).

Call Calatrava and build the "Spire" here (a lot of the drawings are probably already done and sitting in a drawer somewhere ;-).

Given the tower is phase 2 and they plan to complete the mish-mash of shorter buildings/mega-podiums first... this ought to top out in 2044 or so.

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This is dumb, but also if they actually pull it off they are fucking kings.
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Uhh...let's not act like Oklahoma hasn't done tall buildings next to parking lots before...
I tend to view a normal tall building as being in a different category then a supertall. Especially one that far into supertall height teritory.
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I tend to view a normal tall building as being in a different category then a supertall. Especially one that far into supertall height teritory.
ColDayMan is correct in equating the two as obvious cases where the height isn’t anywhere near justified by land values and land scarcity, leaving only vanity as the explanation.
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It's residential/hotel (Hyatt)... "allegedly".
To me that actually makes it even more implausible, because Oklahoma City has built exactly one residential building in it's central core over four stories in the past fifty-ish years, and it was a twelve story one built just within the past couple years. So to suggest that there is demand for a 300 foot residential tower in downtown OKC, much less a 1,900 foot residential tower, would be a pretty hard sell in my opinion. It's not that I'm rooting against it or anything, I just don't see how this could be justified to any institutions that could provide financing. Now, the developer claims that he has secured financing in full, but has provided zero details about that. And given the fact that he has supposedly had credibility issues in the past, and the fact that neither of his supposed companies even have social media pages, much less fully functioning websites... I don't know... it all just smells highly fishy to me.
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I'd assume crazy-billionaire money, not traditional development sources.

It won't pencil by any normal standard.
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It won't pencil by any normal standard.
This.

There's no universe where this scheme makes any money for people who are interested in making money.
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At this point, this thread should now be moved under "Proposals".
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^ done.

And I merged the thread from city discussions into this one. No need for multiple threads in different places.
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At this point, this thread should now be moved under "Proposals".
It should have always been under proposals
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It should have always been under proposals
It was began in proposals, then moved to visions (presumably because it isn’t going anywhere). But it was open to discussion in either case.
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Does this developer have any credibility to other large scale projects?
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Does this developer have any credibility to other large scale projects?
Supposedly he was involved in some Miami project (World Center?) but I'm not sure how credible the source was. I think it's somewhere in this thread.


Who designed this anyway? The renderings look kinda cheap.
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I don't remotely expect this to be built. Some international rich guy with more homes than they can count will only consider buying here as a US tallest.
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Well it has now passed any city-based issues. The city of OKC zoning removed the height restriction for the structure (Bricktown), to be unlimited. If you're not familiar with the area, this plot of land is just across the tracks from the main central core where the other towers are. This district is former warehouses and is now an entertainment and residential district. It does have tighter zoning requirements for materials/heights/etc. One of the questions was, was the city going to allow it? So, yes the city has approved from that perspective so the developer can't blame the city for fighting against him.

At each stage, the developer has put up comments, and they have been addressed and approved. He says he has full funding, but if you read between the lines, I believe that's for the other 3 towers (shorter). He has always said that Legends Tower will depends on how the demand goes for the other 3.

OKC doesn't have a terrible office rent issue right now and residential is still pretty strong downtown (lower height projects still being built). So we'll see. Do we have that kind of demand? Again, we'll see. Schools are a problem in my opinion. There's a LOT of park space next door with Myriad Gardens, Upper and Lower Scissortail, and the Canal. Lots of places to eat. The new arena will be next door. The new convention center is next door. Right next to I-40 for access that way. So there are a lot of things going for it.....IF it gets moving. And even if it isn't built, it's caused a lot of publicity and stir. Like it or lump it, you're talking about OKC and that's been great!
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He says he has full funding, but if you read between the lines, I believe that's for the other 3 towers (shorter). He has always said that Legends Tower will depends on how the demand goes for the other 3.
Still good news, although "full funding" would be misleading if the tallest tower is not yet funded.


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OKC doesn't have a terrible office rent issue right now and residential is still pretty strong downtown (lower height projects still being built). So we'll see. Do we have that kind of demand? Again, we'll see. Schools are a problem in my opinion. There's a LOT of park space next door with Myriad Gardens, Upper and Lower Scissortail, and the Canal. Lots of places to eat. The new arena will be next door. The new convention center is next door. Right next to I-40 for access that way. So there are a lot of things going for it.....IF it gets moving. And even if it isn't built, it's caused a lot of publicity and stir. Like it or lump it, you're talking about OKC and that's been great
In OKC? Demand for a near mega tall? I can't imagine. There's barely demand for a building like this in NY or Chicago let alone OKC.

If it does manage to get built (or something very tall) it'll be built purely out of ego and vanity, and to put OKC more on the map.

As a skyscraper fan I won't complain though
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I went before the Wichita City Council on March 19th a few months ago. They liked my idea. I am just waiting to hear back and my mom knows a guy who will help me with renderings. It will be an airplane hoisted high into the air. It would be 500 feet to the observation deck and probably 550 feet to the very top. No, I am not going to bet on my project but it is time for some of these cities to get up with the times. I am not sure how to feel about Legends Tower. Usually buildings or projects around 350 to 850 feet tall tend to make me happy. To a point it doesn't matter how tall a building is after 850 feet because at that point I consider a building that tall to be gigantic. At least for me it does. Also if this needs to be moved to another thread feel free to do so.
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