PHOENIX | Project Rundown

Don B. · #1 Posted **Apr 29, 2005, 9:56 PM**

NOTE: Updated as of December 18, 2009.

PROPOSALS, CONSTRUCTION AND RENDERINGS

1. Will Bruder "Vision Project" in downtown - first introduced in 2006. never a real project
700+ feet, 55 stories

2. Toll Brothers (2 residential towers) near Thomas & Central, proposed 2005 - cancelled.
658 feet, 50 stories

3. SWDG Condominiums - cancelled.
500 feet, 40 stories

4. Park Place, Phase II - office tower - first announced in 2005 - cancelled.
475 feet, 38 stories

5. Momentum (Sliver) Tower. never a real project
475 feet, 40 stories

6. Century Plaza, Phases II and III - cancelled.
450 feet, 40 stories

7. W Hotel & Residences next to U.S. Airways Arena - cancelled due to lawsuit.
450 feet, 39 stories

8. Metro (Brophy) Lofts near Highland & Central, proposed 2004 - never a real project.
434 feet, 42 stories

9. Cityscape, massive mixed-use project with 4 towers at Central & Jefferson - announced February 2006
418 feet, 36 stories (Phase II - Palomar Tower mixed use - core stopped at three stories; on hold now)
385 feet, 27 stories (Phase I - Wachovia Tower - nearing completion)
350 feet, 32 stories (Phases III and IV - on hold now)
332 feet, 28 stories (on hold)

10. Copper Pointe - proposed condominium project near 3rd Avenue and Van Buren - cancelled
400 feet, 41 stories

11. KML Project - rumored mixed-use project first announced in 2005. Cancelled.
400 feet, 40 stories

12. Cielo Phoenix - two phased twin condo project. cancelled)[/b]
400 feet, 37 stories

13. Central Park East - approved office tower - nearly completed.
383 feet, 26 stories

14. 44 Monroe - luxury condos - Completed October 2008.
380 feet, 34 stories

15. One Phoenix - 3 tower project on the NW corner of Mcdowell & Central - cancelled.
375 feet, 34 stories

16. Phoenix Sheraton Convention Center Hotel - completed October 2008.
360 feet, 31 stories

17. San Carlos Hotel expansion - cancelled.
350 feet, 30 stories

18. Omega - new Wallach condo tower just west of Orpheum Lofts - just announced 2007. Cancelled.
318 feet, 32 stories

19. The Jet - condo tower just west of YMCA on 1st Avenue - cancelled.
300 feet, 30 stories

20. Criminal Courts Tower - government project announced in 2008. under construction.
289 feet, 16 stories

21. Biltmore Holdings Tower - office project announced in 2005 - cancelled.
264 feet, 22 stories

22. Summit at Copper Square - completed September 2008.
250 feet, 22 stories

--don

phxatty · #2 Posted **Apr 29, 2005, 10:07 PM**

That is one ugly buiding. But if it does get built, it makes a nice triangle between Ugly Building, Convention Center Hotel, and BankOne (Chase) Tower.

The views down Central, 1st, 2nd and 3rd Streets will be nice. If the infill comes on line as proposed, Phoenix will have a decent 9 or 12 square block CBD. While that may not be saying much, for those of us in Phoenix that is progress.

Don - Thanks for posting the article.

FlyersFan118 · #3 Posted **Apr 29, 2005, 10:09 PM**

nice filller building, but as the tallest? ugh.

Well, this is good news for Phoenix, since they don't have many high-rises, so congratulations.

ltsmotorsport · #4 Posted **Apr 29, 2005, 10:12 PM**

So, I couldn't see it in there, but does it give a hieght figure, or only that it will be the new tallest?

PHX31 · #5 Posted **Apr 29, 2005, 10:15 PM**

The design is pretty hideous, but from reading the article it seems they realize that and have mentioned it could change (I like the two towers separated by an atrium idea.)

I would rather it be built south of Polk Street, to be closer to the Bank One Building, but we'll just have to wait for that to be developed.

I can't wait a year.

What about the height limit again? Or would this be exactly 500'? Does anyone know a typical floor height for a condo tower of this size?

PHX31 · #6 Posted **Apr 29, 2005, 10:30 PM**

Actually, reading the article, it says:

"CMX Chief Executive Don Dillon said the condo project's design could be modified into two side-by-side buildings connected by a glass-enclosed vertical atrium."

SO... does that mean this could be TWO new tallest buildings???

I think I'm getting ahead of myself...

Don B. · #7 Posted **Apr 29, 2005, 10:31 PM**

^ Well, it's not likely going to be less than 500 feet, because that would be 10' per floor. If there is going to be some retail and other uses, with spaces between floors, you are probably talking closer to 12' floors for an average, which yields a height of 600 feet. Also note the top portion, which may drive the height up even higher.

The best thing about this project is it may push Trump to build taller downtown just to beat it. An egotistical maniac like him is not going to settle for "second-tallest" in a short city like Phoenix.

Maybe he will build to 700 feet? We can only hope.

I think this building will look better in color, and from better angles.

--don

Dream'n · #8 Posted **Apr 29, 2005, 10:45 PM**

That's quite a big lists of buildings.

PHX602 · #9 Posted **Apr 29, 2005, 11:08 PM**

Goddamn that looks horrible.

I’m confident that this proposal will get a new design though. Here’s to the Phoenix members who haven't given up faith that our city would finally start to get its shit together. Things are looking very promising in the PHX!

Oh btw, Don, you forgot to update the Metro lofts to 434 ft again.

plinko · #10 Posted **Apr 29, 2005, 11:18 PM**

I'd be shocked if that building was 600'. Look at it. A parking base (NEVER more than 10' floor to floor) and an average condo floor height in the neighborhood of 10'. The retail space at the bottom can be built in a way to take up two parking floors without actually being 2 floors.

Looks like 7-8 penthouse floors with maybe a 13' floor to floor.

Mechanical penthouse on the roof is in the neighborhood of 35'.

560' maybe.

Still, I'll be curious to see two things:

1. How the FAA reacts.
2. How the city deems building height. *I realize that we all count things like mechanical penthouses and elevator wells, but quite often the city doesn't. Quite often cities only count to the roof height BEHIND the parapet. I can't remember if that's how they do it in Phoenix, but I know that's how they do it in Mesa and Tempe. Relevance - This building while maybe topping out at 560' to the penthouse goes into city planning at a mere 525' which is ALOT closer to the 500' cap.

My reaction to the model is one of fear. That looks like something dusted off from 1967 or something. Mike Brady can ya hear me?!?

I've worked in this industry long enough to know though that the finished product will look FAR different than that model.

Chicago3rd · #11 Posted **Apr 29, 2005, 11:20 PM**

It is silly that Phoenix doesn't have taller condos. It has some of the most incredible city lights at night....I have ever seen. That should be worth the extra cost of going up.

Don B. · #12 Posted **Apr 29, 2005, 11:33 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by plinko

I'd be shocked if that building was 600'. Look at it. A parking base (NEVER more than 10' floor to floor) and an average condo floor height in the neighborhood of 10'. The retail space at the bottom can be built in a way to take up two parking floors without actually being 2 floors.

Looks like 7-8 penthouse floors with maybe a 13' floor to floor.

Mechanical penthouse on the roof is in the neighborhood of 35'.

560' maybe.

Well, even at 560', I'm still as happy as a pig in shit.

--don

EDDYC · #13 Posted **Apr 30, 2005, 12:06 AM**

For the fifth largest city in the country, Phoenix needs to get itself a larger skyline. Its about time they got a new tallest, although the design doesn't look too thrilling. Is Phoenix one of those FAA height restriction cities, or are there just too many NIMBYS obstructing progress?

Stephenapolis · #14 Posted **Apr 30, 2005, 12:19 AM**

Well it will be nice to see some more height finally added to Pheonix.

#15 Posted **Apr 30, 2005, 12:58 AM**

Yeh that design is hideous. But way to go PHOENIX!!!

Upward · #16 Posted **Apr 30, 2005, 1:00 AM**

50 stories!!! w00t!!!

But...

EW!! What a horrible design! Looks like a horrible bastardization of Philadelphia's PSFS Building.

I like the height though

How can I not? I just hope the design gets revised to something better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by plinko

My reaction to the model is one of fear. That looks like something dusted off from 1967 or something. Mike Brady can ya hear me?!?

LOL!!! Indeed... The worst part (well, aside from the massing) is the large section that appears to be windowless with vertical stripes. This is the developmentally-disabled love-child of PSFS and that incredibly ugly green building in Tucson.

Quote:

Originally Posted by plinko

I've worked in this industry long enough to know though that the finished product will look FAR different than that model.

Yay! There's hope!

oliveurban · #17 Posted **Apr 30, 2005, 1:07 AM**

We shall see. Very exciting, but yea, not the best looking. Like someone said, as a 'filler', not so bad. As the pinnacle of our skyline, not so good.

I'm in agreement.

Upward · #18 Posted **Apr 30, 2005, 3:33 AM**

Well, maybe it will only be filler until Trump builds a taller one.

Don B. · #19 Posted **Apr 30, 2005, 3:38 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHX602

Goddamn that looks horrible.

I’m confident that this proposal will get a new design though. Here’s to the Phoenix members who haven't given up faith that our city would finally start to get its shit together. Things are looking very promising in the PHX!

Oh btw, Don, you forgot to update the Metro lofts to 434 ft again.

I always keep forgetting to fix that.

Gee, I wonder why? Freudian slip?

--don

davidmperre@gmail.co · #20 Posted **Dec 31, 2010, 7:19 AM**

WOW THIS REALLLY SUCKS! LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE AWESOME HIGHRISE BUILDINGS THAT TOOK PROB. TONS OF PLANNING AND MONTH OF DESIGNING AND THEY JUST GET CANCELED!?!?!? ugghh this is really a sad thing too see