537 King Street East | 26.9 m | 6 fl | Proposed

[TheHonestMaple]

Originally Posted by urban_planner

Don't apologize, people get so offended so easily. I don't necessarily want to see the poor/crack addicts/people with mental health issue get pushed out however some horrible planning crimes were committed downtown putting all these outreach centres downtown. Look at that park across from fire station one. You have the Core Urban centre and then around the corner is the Wesley centre then on John across from the Capri is another Drug facility. What kind of Bullshit it that. As much as we on this site see all that great things happening downtown the general view from the rest of the city is that Downtown is still rundown, sketchy and dangerous. These facilities are a big part of why that is. Same with the Salvation Army across from "Copps" again another terrible spot for that. I realize core urban is moving and I think the salvation army is too but at least once will still be in the core. We need a better plan.

Thank you! I agree with everything you said. I can't understand why the city allowed all these facilities to be placed in such close proximity. It's bad for the residents that live around there, and it's bad for the people who use those facilities as well. It's literally not safe, there's stabbings and fights around their frequently.

They're actually moving Urban Core safe injection site directly beside the YWCA shelter for the next two years, and across the street from the YMCA men's affordable living facility. It's going to be a disaster.

I believe with all the condos popping up around this area in the next few years, the owners of those units will simply not put up with it. That's another advantage of condo builds. The people that live in them generally care about the state of their neighbourhoods, because they literally own the property. It's their pride and joy. There will be constant calls to police and eventually the area will get cleaned up. It's a start.

[ScreamingViking]

I think we can blame a few things for the poor planning and location of these services:
- NIMBYs in other parts of the city that raise such a stink about new local facilities, so there are few locations available and downtown tends to have fewer complainers so... (it's not like any kids in Ancaster or Waterdown grow to be adults with issues around substance abuse, violence, mental health problems, lack of ability to earn an income... oh, wait, it can happen to anyone? hmmm... )
- Provincial downloading of social services, which I think has resulted in a very uneven distribution of help; live in Burlington or Oakville and have a problem? It's no problem! We'll order a cab to take you to Hamilton, or Toronto!!! Everyone wins.
- Old thinking that there are one-size fits all solutions, and we can provide them in select locations.

[Beedok]

There are also some synergetic benefits to putting related resources near each other, the same as for any other service or business. Hamilton’s problem is more the lack of other things to dilute them than the amount of shelters and such.

[Hawrylyshyn]

[ScreamingViking]

Nice.

So looks like the former Rebel's Rock is proposed to be saved after all.

[craftbeerdad]

These renders aren't accurate, there's a lack of garbage strewn in the bushes, street, trees and flying across the air.

On another note, is the RR incorporated into the build? Like amenity rooms or something?

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by craftbeerdad

These renders aren't accurate, there's a lack of garbage strewn in the bushes, street, trees and flying across the air.

On another note, is the RR incorporated into the build? Like amenity rooms or something?

Gotta sell it to the common folk.

but yeah what was mentioned above - basically all those amenities close together - you're basically just asking the city "where would you like us to move the drug problems and stabbings to?"

Because that's what it boils down to - these people will always act like.. this. So where do you essentially "hide" it so we can pretend it doesn't exist.

We need a poor people business park basically - away from prying eyes - maybe that spot by the railroad tracks lol..

As for the design above.. I've seen worse - I'll take it - although it sorta feels like it's "absorbing" that house beside it lol..

[LikeHamilton]

Two injured in King Street East fire

Hamilton firefighters rescued a person from the second floor of 537 King St. E. early Monday. They were taken to hospital in critical condition.

Nicole O'Reilly TheSpec.com Monday, April 8, 2024

Two people were taken to hospital, including one in critical condition, following a fire on King Street East early Monday.

Emergency services were called to 537 King St. E., between Tisdale Street North and Steven Street, shortly before 1:30 a.m. for a structure fire, Hamilton Fire Chief Dave Cunliffe said in a news release.

The first crews that arrived reported smoke and fire from the first and second floors of the three-storey brick residence, which formerly housed Rebel’s Rock Irish Pub.

Cunliffe said the fire was quickly brought under control and damages are estimated at around $25,000.

The Office of the Fire Marshall has been notified due to the severity of injuries.

https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilto...94a538083.html

[ScreamingViking]

Squatters, or were people still legally living in that building after the pub closed?

[ScreamingViking]

It's sad either way... and I don't want to start a debate about housing issues.


Fire victims were trespassing at former pub tabbed for condo development: police
Ontario Fire Marshal still probing cause of blaze

Sebastian Bron
The Hamilton Spectator
Wednesday, April 10, 2024

https://www.thespec.com/news/crime/f...b66b2850b.html

Hamilton police say the people inside a former Irish pub that was razed in a fire in the middle of the night Monday weren’t there legally.

While it remains unclear how many people were present at 537 King St. E. when it went up in flames around 1:30 a.m. on April 8, Const. Krista-Lee Ernst said police believe those who were there “didn’t have the authority to be on the premises.”

Two people were taken to hospital after the fire at the three-storey property, which once house Rebel’s Rock Irish Pub.

Hamilton firefighters found one of them outside on the front lawn, while another was located critically injured on the second-floor after crews heard yells coming from upstairs.

The Office of the Fire Marshal (OFM) — who was notified about the blaze due to the severity of injuries — had no update into their probe Tuesday, saying only that its examination of the scene is now complete.

“Further analysis will be required to determine the cause, origin and circumstance of the fire,” spokesperson Sean Driscoll said over email.

The OFM said it couldn’t answer whether there were squatters potentially living at the property.

The site has been tabbed for an eight-storey condo development with nearly 120 units, according to a “staging of development” reported released last January, which didn’t indicate whether the project has been approved.

Property records show the residence was sold to a numbered Ontario corporation in October 2021 for $1.7 million.

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