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Old Posted Nov 12, 2009, 12:37 AM
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Any recent news on this development?
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2009, 1:12 AM
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Phase 2 rezoning brought a few changes but nothing major. It now appears that more of the residential will be started before the retail, due to market conditions. Don't expect to see anything though till a bit after the games.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2009, 1:32 AM
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Thanks.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2009, 4:18 AM
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Good to see at least something is still happening.
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2009, 2:30 AM
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Vancouver’s East Fraserlands heats up

By Carlito Pablo

Before the economy tanked last year, there wasn’t much disagreement about what to do with Vancouver’s East Fraserlands.

Once the site of the Canadian White Pine Mill, this former industrial area in the southeast corner of the city was envisioned by many as a “complete” community by the Fraser River. Here, residents would live, work, shop, and play locally.

Under the plan adopted by the city in 2006, development is to take place in phases. It starts with Area 1, a 21-hectare parcel of land that will underpin the sustainability of the entire East Fraserlands project. It’s supposed to be the heart of the new community and where most of the services and facilities, including a commercial centre, will be located. On September 16, 2008, city council approved the rezoning of this area.

Then the recession kicked in.

Faced with financing difficulties, ParkLane Homes, the developer of the land, is now saying it can’t proceed with the development of Area 1 as was originally planned.

Instead, it is seeking approval for the rezoning of Area 2, a 14-hectare parcel designated mostly for housing. The application covers 1.7 million square feet of residential space, 10,000 square feet of retail, two child-care facilities, an elementary school, parks, and underground parking.

It’s a move that enjoys support from city staff, but that has upset the East Fraserlands Committee. For many years, this citizens’ group has worked with the City of Vancouver and ParkLane Homes to ensure that sustainability was built into the development plan.

According to committee cochair Milt Bowling, the proposed change will likely result in a community similar to the West Fraserlands, what he calls an amenity-deprived neighbourhood located immediately west of Kerr Street.

“The whole idea of the East Fraserlands is environmental sustainability—a walkable, cyclable community,” Bowling told the Georgia Straight in a phone interview. “Right now, the way it looks is that East Fraserlands will be like West Fraserlands.”

This point was echoed by a letter the committee sent to Mayor Gregor Robertson, city staff, and ParkLane Homes.

Members noted that the new proposal is a major departure from the original plan, in which high-street retail, a community centre, transit, and other public facilities would be delivered in the first phase of the project.

“Since the vast majority of Phase 2 consists of housing at the western end of the site, the EFLC is concerned that building Phase 2 first will lead to a protracted period of time during which residents will be reliant on cars to move them out of the community to work, shop and play,” the group stated in the letter dated November 23, 2009.

City planner Matt Shillito said in a phone interview that ParkLane Homes is keen to break ground by the end of 2010 or early in 2011.

full article: http://www.straight.com/article-2742...serlands-heats
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2009, 3:17 AM
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Parklane is attempting to get authorization to proceed with phase 2 ahead of phase 1. There is a bit of opposition from the locals as they would prefer to see phase 1 proceed first as w/o the high street and shopping options their will be many more car trips involved with people having to leave the area for necessities. Anyways tons of details in the following documents. Still surprised at the lack of attention this development gets as it will probably end up larger then sefc.

Area 2 and Kerr St properties rezoning
http://vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/...cuments/p5.pdf

Appendices A to J
http://vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/...ppendixA-J.pdf

Appendices K-S
http://vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/...ppendixK-S.pdf
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It's standard operating procedure to get the residents in before the stores are built - otherwise the stores will just be empty boarded up/papered over spaces (i.e. a liability in respect of carrying costs).
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2009, 3:42 AM
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That's true, I think the concern is that the locals feel there would already be enough density to support the stores now, west fraser lands is built out already and has no retail. Not to mention that phase one would have included 3.5Million sqft of residential in itself, phase 2 on the other hand will only have 1.5M sqft of residential. Either way it doesn't matter as it appears phase 2 will now proceed before phase 1 if council goes ahead with the recommendation. Groundbreaking is set for late 2010, early 2011.
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so how many social housing units are planned
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The affordable rental %'s vary from parcel to parcel, it's in the documents. I haven't added them all up but it looks to be around 15%.
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Oh yeah, good point about the western side having residents.
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Oh yeah, good point about the western side having residents.
plus Marine and Boundary are VERY busy roads. So the Commercial would benefit from that as well. Look at the success of Marine and Bryne Road.....the 2 Retail Projects there are doing amazingly well.
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Still surprised at the lack of attention this development gets as it will probably end up larger then sefc.
Well it is still quite a ways away from groundbreaking and it isn't in the dt core... Not exactly a great combination for garnering attention around these parts. I'm sure attention will pick up once plans are more concrete and things are in motion.
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Well it is still quite a ways away from groundbreaking and it isn't in the dt core... Not exactly a great combination for garnering attention around these parts. I'm sure attention will pick up once plans are more concrete and things are in motion.
The fact that it's in the other corner of Vancouver. As for going ahead with Phase 2, I rather see something there over nothing. Once there are more residents in the area, I think there will be increasing pressure for Parkhomes to develop Phase 1 with "the village" and commercial/retail "high street" area. Some sort of a streetcar might also be looked at more.
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plus Marine and Boundary are VERY busy roads. So the Commercial would benefit from that as well. Look at the success of Marine and Bryne Road.....the 2 Retail Projects there are doing amazingly well.
uhhhh, not really. All of our clients sales there are well below average.
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from News1130:

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Open house will allow people to see what could be coming

Tamara Slobogean May 26, 2010 09:20:02 AM



VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - It stretches from the Fraser River, to Marine Way, between Boundary and Kerr. Tonight, at an open house, you can get a better sense of what the first neighbourhood park will look like in the coming East Fraserlands development.


When it's finished, the neighbourhood will be a 'complete community' -- that could one day even include access by light rapid transit.

Alan Duncan is an environmental planner with the Park Board. Tonight between 5:00pm and 8:00pm, the park board hosts the first open house on the proposed design for East Fraserlands Neighbourhood Park at the Killarney Community Centre.

This is the very first time they'll have gone to the public after re-zoning for part of the East Fraserlands was approved. This is a chance to show the people some of the latest ideas and they're looking for public feedback.

Eventually, it's expected the area will be home to about 13,000 people, complete with a school, a shops, parks and waterfront access.

Duncan says one of the basic things they want to ensure is good transit access from day one. They are working with TransLink to make sure that happens. He says the very long term plan is to have a rail corridor going through the centre of it which could someday be developed to connect with the Canada Line.

He feels this could change the dynamic dramatically from what it is today.
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^^ Interesting, Im confused though. isn't this land currently all industrial land? I thought the city was trying to preserve its industrial areas. Wasnt the City really concerned about loosing the industrial land at Cambie and marine for the marine gateway project, yet they approve this development? maybe Im missing something.

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A city has to grow, and this is an area well suited to take up some of the slack, it's true. However, don't forget please, that there are a lot of market gardeners along here who grow fresh produce; vegetables, herbs, and even raise chickens that are an important produce supply to many large Vancouver supermarkets, and not only little corner stores. This is just something to keep in mind when thinking about large-scale development in the area.
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Old Posted May 27, 2010, 2:23 AM
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This area was removed from industrial zoning ~ a decade ago. It's the one that started the fighting about Vancouver talking the talk but not walking the walk.

Let me be the first to predict that upon buildout this area will house more then 13K.
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Old Posted May 27, 2010, 3:12 AM
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I really like this development! One thing is certain needs better transit.
Heck the 116 doesnt even surve the market crossing properly and even though i like close by I don't go there often.


Also as torfirhen about the farms, i would agree.

I really like the farms in burnaby around Marine and hopefully it wont affect those farms in the next 20 years or so.
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