Parkdale Collective [159-167 Parkdale Ave] | 96m | 31f | U/C

[J.OT13]

Seems they want to start contraction next spring. Two years construction schedule.

[Harley613]

Anyone know what's going on with this one?

[SL123]

Originally Posted by Harley613

Anyone know what's going on with this one?

No sign of construction as of last week

[J.OT13]

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[RogueNacho]

Excavation ready to start by end of August, construction of structure to begin around March 2022, and occupancy expected by August 2024.

[McDonald's Racoon]

Can someone explain why there is so much intensification at this area other than the LRT or is that the only driving factor? Seems a little far from any sort of resources.

[silvergate]

Originally Posted by McDonald's Racoon

Can someone explain why there is so much intensification at this area other than the LRT or is that the only driving factor? Seems a little far from any sort of resources.

Government offices, proximity to parkway and 417, plus the future redevelopment of tunneys should bring stuff like grocery etc to the area

[Williamoforange]

Originally Posted by McDonald's Racoon

Can someone explain why there is so much intensification at this area other than the LRT or is that the only driving factor? Seems a little far from any sort of resources.

It was a rundown area filled with poor working people, that wasn't privy to the protection given to other wealthier areas of kitchissippi. So cheap land close enough to transit means developers bought in heavily and are now doing what they do.

Just look at the 2015 Scott st SP for the area, the majority of limited to 3 stories but this area was capped at 4 stories except where angular plane permits greater height.

Still can't believe that SP ever passed.

[Urbanarchit]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

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"I think it's a reasonably elegant-looking building that'll blend well into the neighbourhood" Presenter at 6:08 minutes.

I'm not saying I dislike or oppose the building or anything, but I don't see how this building at this scale would blend into the neighbourhood of 2-4 storey buildings. It's another regular-looking glass building that will just form part of the wall of highrises along Parkdale.

[trhgr]

Originally Posted by Urbanarchit

"…. the neighbourhood of 2-4 storey buildings…”.

Parkdale mostly has mid to highrise buildings in this area. Soho is 1 block away and the Brigil tower 1 block away in the other direction, with midrises of various heights in the middle. And it’s facing Tunney’s pasture, which is -for now- mostly empty.. It’s much better than the 2-towers per block model we’ve seen in centretown.

I’d like to see many more highrises of various heights on Parkdale, Scott and Carling.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by Urbanarchit

"I think it's a reasonably elegant-looking building that'll blend well into the neighbourhood" Presenter at 6:08 minutes.

I'm not saying I dislike or oppose the building or anything, but I don't see how this building at this scale would blend into the neighbourhood of 2-4 storey buildings. It's another regular-looking glass building that will just form part of the wall of highrises along Parkdale.

Wait, what? It's in a thick band of highrises, with many more in various states of planning and construction, and eventually it'll be lost in an area of highrises stretching from Parkdale all the way to Westboro. It blends in now...it'll blend in even more in the future...and Parkdale will only be a wall until Tunney's is redeveloped, which is GOING to happen.

Parkdale by harley613, on Flickr

[Nowhere]

Also, the rental shortage is bad enough in Ottawa that developers will easily find tenants for new rentals, no matter where the building is located.

[GeoNerd]

Originally Posted by Williamoforange

It was a rundown area filled with poor working people, that wasn't privy to the protection given to other wealthier areas of kitchissippi. So cheap land close enough to transit means developers bought in heavily and are now doing what they do.

Just look at the 2015 Scott st SP for the area, the majority of limited to 3 stories but this area was capped at 4 stories except where angular plane permits greater height.

Still can't believe that SP ever passed.

What a ridiculously poor take. The area has a good mix of demographics and homes sell for well over city average. Unreal.

The neighbourhood is located next to mass transit and one of the largest employment hubs in the city and region. Not to mention the massive green space and spectacular views of city, river, and mountains.

[SL123]

Im quite happy this is actually going up! Should balance thing out with the Dale from Brigil. Plus this is definitely Transit-Oriented Development. Anything between Lyon station and Tunney Station along the Otrain Line needs Densification. There is no better location for densification

[silvergate]

Originally Posted by GeoNerd

What a ridiculously poor take. The area has a good mix of demographics and homes sell for well over city average. Unreal.

The neighbourhood is located next to mass transit and one of the largest employment hubs in the city and region. Not to mention the massive green space and spectacular views of city, river, and mountains.

No, Mechanicsville was always traditionally "the other side of the tracks" so to speak. The hells angels only recently sold their clubhouse in the area. It's gentrifying fast, but when developers first bought in it wasn't as it is today.

[GeoNerd]

Originally Posted by silvergate

No, Mechanicsville was always traditionally "the other side of the tracks" so to speak. The hells angels only recently sold their clubhouse in the area. It's gentrifying fast, but when developers first bought in it wasn't as it is today.

No, it's always been a pretty typical inner urban neighbourhood with a good mix of working class blue collar/white collar people. It isn't a squeaky clean neighbourhood like the Glebe or Westboro, but to say it's a "rundown area filled with poor people" is preposterous and insulting. If Hintonburg makes someone nervous they need to get out of the lame suburbs a little more. Also it was the Outlaws not the Hells Angels. They're great for neighbourhood security.

[Williamoforange]

Originally Posted by GeoNerd

No, it's always been a pretty typical inner urban neighbourhood with a good mix of working class blue collar/white collar people. It isn't a squeaky clean neighbourhood like the Glebe or Westboro, but to say it's a "rundown area filled with poor people" is preposterous and insulting. If Hintonburg makes someone nervous they need to get out of the lame suburbs a little more. Also it was the Outlaws not the Hells Angels. They're great for neighbourhood security.

If you think an area being called poor is an insult it's because of the connatation you are putting on that word, but in the past Mechanicsville was (not hintonburg)

And however you want to describe the area doesn't change that in the past land was cheap and as you can see from the Scott Street SP it was not afforded the same protections that other areas of kitchissippi.

[Arcologist]

Should the name of this thread be changed to 159 Parkdale?

[GeoNerd]

Originally Posted by Williamoforange

If you think an area being called poor is an insult it's because of the connatation you are putting on that word, but in the past Mechanicsville was (not hintonburg)

And however you want to describe the area doesn't change that in the past land was cheap and as you can see from the Scott Street SP it was not afforded the same protections that other areas of kitchissippi.

Ah yes, as opposed to the positive connotations of being called poor and run down. :

I’m guessing your statements are based solely on opinion, because the lack of development potential along portions of Scott have a lot more to do with the existing R1 & R3 zoning and back lanes making tower redevelopment near impossible. Parkdale North is also designated mixed-use centre. It would be shockingly unscrupulous for a SP/CDP to factor in housing costs/property value into development plans.

[Williamoforange]

Originally Posted by GeoNerd

Ah yes, as opposed to the positive connotations of being called poor and run down. :

I’m guessing your statements are based solely on opinion, because the lack of development potential along portions of Scott have a lot more to do with the existing R1 & R3 zoning and back lanes making tower redevelopment near impossible. Parkdale North is also designated mixed-use centre. It would be shockingly unscrupulous for a SP/CDP to factor in housing costs/property value into development plans.

Poor is a description and in this case a description of the residents net worth. If you want to take that as an insult go right ahead but again that's on you for thinking it means something more in context

I'm stating that the literal SP accepted in 2015 which dictated the zoning for areas was influenced by those with the means and ability to participate in the consultation process to restrict that zoning to lower limits then what was dictated on areas that are poor and due to that were unable to participate in the consultation process as greatly. Usually because they could not make it to meetings for a variety of reasons. ( This isn't exactly an unknown issue with these public consultation processes, and it's not exactly unknown that CA don't represent communities in either opinion or diversity)

Root cause: lower property values, Lower protections, close enough to transit and etc means it was ripe for redevelopment.