T E A R _ I T _ D O W N ! ! ! - Page 12

wrab · #**221** Posted **Nov 17, 2008, 11:58 PM**

Penn Station, NYC.

The old one was soooo good:

http://blogs.redding.com/mbeauchamp/...nnStation2.jpg

The new one is sooo bad:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...en-us%26sa%3DN

Tear it down!

Ch.G, Ch.G · #**222** Posted **Nov 18, 2008, 12:29 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdrianXSands

and then move the magical wrecking ball up lsd and raze all the crap that lines the drive...

and so on...

Quote:

Originally Posted by VivaLFuego

Several of these are spectacular late-50s-early-60s-era modernism that was very progressive at it's time for use of new materials and proportionality in crafting modern urban living spaces. 1300 LSD and 1000 Lake Shore are both absolutely great, IMO; I think 1300 is one of the more underappreciated modern highrises in the city. Both awesome buildings that, if fully restored (paint, window mullions, masonry, etc.) would really sparkle. For someone with such an unhealthy obsession with architecture that is forward-thinking, I don't get why you'd hate buildings that were forward-thinking in their time but now merely obviously dated (as the current stuff you'd call "great" will be, in time).

A few of these are schlock, particularly anything by LaGrange

The W is pretty wretched too, as is 990LSD but I believe those were both 70s-era. It's generally been downhill since the 60s, but don't lump the good in with the bad just because they are remotely similar and in near proximity to eachother.

I was just looking through this thread and wanted to bump up your comment, Viva. Many of the high rises along Lake Shore Drive are absolute gems; I imagine they will be even more appreciated in a few decades, especially if glass and steel blobitecture continues its ascendence. Thanks for calling Adrian out on yet another example of his hypocrisy and historical ignorance.

MolsonExport · #**223** Posted **Nov 18, 2008, 3:17 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrabbit

Penn Station, NYC.

The old one was soooo good:

http://blogs.redding.com/mbeauchamp/...nnStation2.jpg

The new one is sooo bad:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...en-us%26sa%3DN

Tear it down!

the assholes that allowed this to happen should be brought on trial. Posthumously, if need be.

neilson · #**224** Posted **Nov 18, 2008, 4:26 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

the assholes that allowed this to happen should be brought on trial. Posthumously, if need be.

What, so THIS doesn't count for anything?

wrab · #**225** Posted **Nov 18, 2008, 5:12 AM**

^ Bad Karma. Tear it down!

Jibba · #**226** Posted **Nov 18, 2008, 7:24 AM**

The W Hotel on Lakeshore has got to go.

MolsonExport · #**227** Posted **Nov 18, 2008, 1:23 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by neilson

What, so THIS doesn't count for anything?

Next to the grandeur of the original Penn Station? Are you kidding me?

CGII · #**228** Posted **Nov 18, 2008, 1:37 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by neilson

What, so THIS doesn't count for anything?

No it doesn't. The place is a toilet.

I'm going to take it you haven't been there in person. Everything about the place is positively awful. I mean, everything. There is nothing they did right in building MSG and 1 Penn.

ThisSideofSteinway · #**229** Posted **Nov 18, 2008, 3:08 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by CGII

I'm going to take it you haven't been there in person. Everything about the place is positively awful. I mean, everything. There is nothing they did right in building MSG and 1 Penn.

I think the best proof we can see of that is that almost every single decorative piece or art commission in the complex hearkens back to the original. Everyone who is aware of the past laments what has been lost.

Even New York sports fans really only love the Garden for what has happened there, as opposed to the structure itself (unlike, say, Yankee Stadium).

Samthelima · #**230** Posted **Nov 18, 2008, 5:21 PM**

The old MSG was pretty amazing too, and also designed by Mckim Mead and White (like Penn Station). I think it was also torn down in the 60s.

ThisSideofSteinway · #**231** Posted **Nov 18, 2008, 5:28 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samthelima

The old MSG was pretty amazing too, and also designed by Mckim Mead and White (like Penn Station). I think it was also torn down in the 60s.

The Stanford White one was actually torn down at the end of 1924 and replaced by the New York Life building on Madison Square. The one preceding the current one was on Eighth Avenue and 49th Street (where WorldWide Plaza is now) - I forget who designed it though.

NYC4Life · #**232** Posted **Nov 18, 2008, 7:31 PM**

Nothing about the current MSG will ever live up to the old Penn Station. MSG is the most horrendous and ugliest arena in the country. What's even sadder, Cablevision and that a**hole James Dolan, want to preserve the current Garden and renovate it, further hampering efforts to tear down that toilet and replace it with office towers.

stormkingfan · #**233** Posted **Nov 19, 2008, 12:11 AM**

/

stormkingfan · #**234** Posted **Nov 19, 2008, 12:14 AM**

[QUOTE=wrabbit;3918266]Penn Station, NYC.

The old one was soooo good:

http://blogs.redding.com/mbeauchamp/...nnStation2.jpg

/QUOTE]

They made a BIIIIIIIIGGGGGG mutha-fuckin' mistake when they canned THIS masterpiece!!!!!

(imagine Ving Rhames saying this slowly and loudly!)

(pardon my French, just letting my true inner feelings be known)

America 117 · #**235** Posted **Nov 19, 2008, 1:27 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by architect1

I agree the east doesnt need it, we should have some North american terrorist go over and fly a plan into it and show them whos boss.

Right on! I want to see if they blame there own government for bombing a tower and make the terrorist (A.K.A. Osoma bin laden) seem so innocent.

sorry im getting into politics

yarabundi · #**236** Posted **Nov 19, 2008, 2:39 PM**

I always said that in North America we did not need a war to see our cities destroyed : we were our own ennemies. Montréal is no exception !!
The old Penn station was one of the most monumental and elegant building of the 20th century -and it was destroyed !! As so many other building of monumental size and beauty : the old Waldorf-Astoria, the Singer building to name few.

ThisSideofSteinway · #**237** Posted **Nov 19, 2008, 2:50 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by yarabundi

I always said that in North America we did not need a war to see our cities destroyed : we were our own ennemies. Montréal is no exception !!
The old Penn station was one of the most monumental and elegant building of the 20th century -and it was destroyed !! As so many other building of monumental size and beauty : the old Waldorf-Astoria, the Singer building to name few.

At least with the Waldorf-Astoria we traded up - Penn Station and One Liberty Plaza make you increasingly hate life the more time you spend in their vicinity.

CGII · #**238** Posted **Nov 19, 2008, 3:23 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by yarabundi

I always said that in North America we did not need a war to see our cities destroyed : we were our own ennemies. Montréal is no exception !!
The old Penn station was one of the most monumental and elegant building of the 20th century -and it was destroyed !! As so many other building of monumental size and beauty : the old Waldorf-Astoria, the Singer building to name few.

Er, did you forget what replaced the old Waldorf-Astoria?

yarabundi · #**239** Posted **Nov 19, 2008, 8:55 PM**

The ESB could have been built anywhere else. It's a fantastic building indeed but honestly : did they had to destroy the old Waldorf-Astoria ?
On the other hand, New-York won double with ESB construction since a new Waldorf-Astounding-Astoria was built.

stormkingfan · #**240** Posted **Nov 19, 2008, 9:53 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by yarabundi

I always said that in North America we did not need a war to see our cities destroyed : we were our own ennemies. Montréal is no exception !!

The only old building I can think of that was taken down was the YMCA back in early 2000, but I don't know what degree of historical significance it had. Another was a hideous looking hotel built in the 40s, I think, way back when. The Hotel Laurentien, was it? What other old buildings in Mtrl came down?