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NYC4Life · #**401** Posted **Jul 6, 2008, 7:42 AM**

'The Mall at the World Trade Center' as it was known before it was destroyed. The Westfield Group (The Mall's operators), had plans on expanding the mall by adding an additional 200,000 square feet of retail space and renaming it 'Westfield Shoppingtown World Trade Center.' Westfield currently holds the right to develop the mall that will be constructed as part of the new WTC Complex.

This is a portion shortly after 9/11 with the remains of 'Strawberry' in the background:

Street level entrance prior to 9/11:

NYguy · #**402** Posted **Jul 6, 2008, 9:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Kamatzu

Speaking of photos, do you know where I could find photos of the mall after the dust settled? Things like this really interesting me....

Some of those elements will be on display at the memorial, with the original dust.

America 117 · #**403** Posted **Jul 12, 2008, 4:34 AM**

wow!! how did the mall stay up with the twins falling on it like that.

NYC4Life · #**404** Posted **Jul 12, 2008, 4:49 AM**

The mall itself was not directly built underneath the Twin Towers, but to the east, mostly beneath the lowrise towers WTC4 and 5.

Ghost · #**405** Posted **Jul 12, 2008, 7:55 AM**

Pics from wtcrising.com

pattali · #**406** Posted **Jul 24, 2008, 1:22 PM**

Looking at http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/...?1216905549563

A new crane just below the Path temporary entrance ( on the left ), someone can confirm ?

Lecom · #**407** Posted **Jul 24, 2008, 5:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by NYC4Life

The mall itself was not directly built underneath the Twin Towers, but to the east, mostly beneath the lowrise towers WTC4 and 5.

Fascinating. Thanks for posting that.

NYguy · #**408** Posted **Aug 1, 2008, 3:27 PM**

This one will be in construction mode in a couple of weeks...

CoolCzech · #**409** Posted **Aug 1, 2008, 3:31 PM**

Somebody needs to wipe their camera lens...

Nevrtheless, one can see this and the view of the new WTC from New Jersey shore of the Hudson will be the instant new classic views of New York.

Lecom · #**410** Posted **Aug 1, 2008, 3:38 PM**

I'm still not a fan of the horizontal lines on 2 WTC. They break down the building's verticality for no good reason. Imagine it as a single glass crystal that changes from black to white. The horizontal subdivisions take away from that effect.

NYguy · #**411** Posted **Aug 1, 2008, 5:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Lecom

I'm still not a fan of the horizontal lines on 2 WTC. They break down the building's verticality for no good reason. Imagine it as a single glass crystal that changes from black to white. The horizontal subdivisions take away from that effect.

That's the old version. On the newer version, vertical "fins" line the tower all the way to the tip of the "spire".

New & Old

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TechTalkGuy · #**412** Posted **Aug 1, 2008, 5:57 PM**

I didn't realize there was a new version.

NYC4Life · #**413** Posted **Aug 1, 2008, 9:01 PM**

This is the best tower that will rise at the site. I'm glad construction will finally start. I can't stand to see this tower under the "Proposed" thread.

TechTalkGuy · #**414** Posted **Aug 1, 2008, 9:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by NYC4Life

This is the best tower that will rise at the site. I'm glad construction will finally start. I can't stant to see this tower under the "Proposed" thread.

Yeh, it's been delayed long enough!

ltsmotorsport · #**415** Posted **Aug 1, 2008, 10:49 PM**

I like that there's no horizontal lines in the new version, but making the glass so transparent almost has the same effect to me.

CoolCzech · #**416** Posted **Aug 2, 2008, 1:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by NYguy

That's the old version. On the newer version, vertical "fins" line the tower all the way to the tip of the "spire".

New & Old

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I don't know... don't the horizontal breaks make the whole thing seem more "substantial," somehow?

NYguy · #**417** Posted **Aug 2, 2008, 2:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by CoolCzech

I don't know... don't the horizontal breaks make the whole thing seem more "substantial," somehow?

Depends on your preference. To me it just looks like the design was brought more in line with the Freedom Tower.

scalziand · #**418** Posted **Aug 2, 2008, 5:58 AM**

The progressive shading is gone now too. It makes the vents for the mechanical levels stick out a lot more, and I'm not sure if I like that.

Reminiscence · #**419** Posted **Aug 2, 2008, 7:41 AM**

I also was not aware there was a new and revised version, but then again, I dont follow the NYC threads all that closely also. I liked the old version, but the new one seems even better to me. Personally, I think its just a nice looking tower, and one that will compliment FT very well. I too cant wait to see this one start rising.

Antares41 · #**420** Posted **Aug 4, 2008, 1:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by scalziand

The progressive shading is gone now too. It makes the vents for the mechanical levels stick out a lot more, and I'm not sure if I like that.

The shading was an interesting illustrative gimick, but, did any seriously think that they would build it that way, just think of the expense. In this day of escalating material cost, one color from base to top is the most cost effective option.