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waterloowarrior · #**261** Posted **Apr 16, 2010, 12:46 PM**

rezoning going to PEC 27 April 2010

jcollins · #**262** Posted **Apr 16, 2010, 1:36 PM**

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rezoning going to council 27 April 2010

WOW, that's going to be an eventful council meeting!

waterloowarrior · #**263** Posted **Apr 16, 2010, 2:42 PM**

^ correction, going to planning committee on the 27th.

citizen j · #**264** Posted **Apr 16, 2010, 5:38 PM**

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some news from the Dalhousie community association
http://dalhousiecommunityassociation...il-7-2010.html

Other Planning Projects
The planner responsible for the Claridge application on the Flats said that it the choice of the developer as to how much parking is provided for projects close to transit stations, while in other cases the policy has been interpreted so that the developer is held by the City to these standards. The first section of the new Claridge building at 200 Lett Street on the Flats is occupied, they are building the 2nd wing and tower of it right now. The new application going to the City is for a third structure, comprising a 6 storey building, townhouses and an increase to 8 storeys for a smaller apartment unit. The DCA will oppose the application for increased height as the original plans aimed for mixed height buildings and we do not want the flats to turn into a collection of high rises with sterile spaces between. It is better for the buildings to step down in height as they approach the aquaduct, not that they get higher.

Where else could an 8-storey building be classed "high rise"?

Uhuniau · #**265** Posted **Apr 16, 2010, 7:19 PM**

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The DCA will oppose the application for increased height as the original plans aimed for mixed height buildings and we do not want the flats to turn into a collection of high rises with sterile spaces between.

A little late for that, isn't it?

The bloody thing is going to be almost all "sterile spaces", thanks to the open-space fetishists.

waterloowarrior · #**266** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 1:40 PM**

rezoning staff report - increase in height from 20 to 26 m (for the corner shaded on the map below) and rezone some open space for residential - recommended for approval
http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/cit...t%20Street.htm

Richard Eade · #**267** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 4:04 PM**

I am appalled (but unfortunately not surprised

) that the planning folks at the City do not recognize the value of leaving that corner of land open. With the Fleet Street Pumping Station directly across the aqueduct, this is the view point for that building straight on.

I just shake my head at what comes forth as 'planning' in this city.

citizen j · #**268** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 4:51 PM**

The last thing needed in the Lebreton Flats redevelopment is more "open" space than is already provided for. It's already underutilising the available space.

Uhuniau · #**269** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 5:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by Richard Eade

I am appalled (but unfortunately not surprised

) that the planning folks at the City do not recognize the value of leaving that corner of land open. With the Fleet Street Pumping Station directly across the aqueduct, this is the view point for that building straight on.

I just shake my head at what comes forth as 'planning' in this city.

A view of a pumping station?

waterloowarrior · #**270** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 6:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by Richard Eade

I am appalled (but unfortunately not surprised

) that the planning folks at the City do not recognize the value of leaving that corner of land open. With the Fleet Street Pumping Station directly across the aqueduct, this is the view point for that building straight on.

I just shake my head at what comes forth as 'planning' in this city.

From the staff report this land was planned for development as part of the NCC plans for LeBreton Flats. The City is just correcting a zoning anomaly that had it as open space/leisure.... if they reject this they would likely lose handily at the OMB and just be wasting everyone's time.

Richard Eade · #**271** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 8:39 PM**

So, I'm curious as to which document is in error, the City's zoning (which has had that lot segregated for decades, and presumably through past reviews) or the one NCC document that the City's Staff is talking about.

If I look at the NCC Web site, the documents show that:
From http://www.canadascapital.gc.ca/data...exhibit2_e.pdf - Development Block R clearly does not extend down to the point.

Fromhttp://www.canadascapital.gc.ca/data...xhibit12_e.pdf - Clearly the south point of that lot is landscaped and not built-up.

It looks as if the NCC document is not consistent with what the NCC is portraying on its Web site. I would suggest that the NCC document that Staff is looking at has an error on it. I expect that the architect got carried away drawing buildings.

Uhuniau · #**272** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 9:54 PM**

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The last thing needed in the Lebreton Flats redevelopment is more "open" space than is already provided for. It's already underutilising the available space.

But the New and Improved Lebreton Flats, 50 years in the making, is only 40% open space!

Just imagine how much greener and more vibrant Ottawa would be if it were 100% open space! All of it! Not just Lebreton! Flatten it all, plant grass and trees, and bask in the vibrancy! Hell, we could plant different species of trees and grass from all over Canada, thereby making the Capital a place for all Canadians! Come to Ottawa! MARVEL AT THE GRASS AND TREES AND OPEN SPACE!

almostfamous · #**273** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 10:03 PM**

are you going to be ok Uhuniau?

p_xavier · #**274** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 10:28 PM**

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are you going to be ok Uhuniau?

He's like a version of me if I had stayed in Ottawa, I can feel his pain.

citizen j · #**275** Posted **Apr 21, 2010, 1:11 AM**

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But the New and Improved Lebreton Flats, 50 years in the making, is only 40% open space!

Just imagine how much greener and more vibrant Ottawa would be if it were 100% open space! All of it! Not just Lebreton! Flatten it all, plant grass and trees, and bask in the vibrancy! Hell, we could plant different species of trees and grass from all over Canada, thereby making the Capital a place for all Canadians! Come to Ottawa! MARVEL AT THE GRASS AND TREES AND OPEN SPACE!

Reminds me of a CBC parody (on Air Farce or This Hour Has 22 Minutes -- can't remember which) of a Newfoundland and Labrador tourism ad: "Come for the Wind, stay for the Laundry." Except here you've modified it to grass and trees.

Anyway, I spent a week and a half earlier this month walking around London, Paris, and Amsterdam. Open space is over-rated.

Uhuniau · #**276** Posted **Apr 21, 2010, 4:02 AM**

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are you going to be ok Uhuniau?

I hope you're not implying that I'm not already ok.

K-133 · #**277** Posted **Apr 21, 2010, 1:29 PM**

All I can say, is that living on the Flats is magnificent! It feels extremely peaceful, is quiet, and the views are to die for.

Having some of the area dedicated to green space would add further to the feeling. Though the existing green space contributes effectively to the tranquility.

AuxTown · #**278** Posted **Apr 21, 2010, 3:34 PM**

Any word when block 2 will be unveiled?

Uhuniau · #**279** Posted **Apr 21, 2010, 4:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by K-133

All I can say, is that living on the Flats is magnificent! It feels extremely peaceful, is quiet, and the views are to die for.

Having some of the area dedicated to green space would add further to the feeling. Though the existing green space contributes effectively to the tranquility.

40% not enough?

K-133 · #**280** Posted **Apr 21, 2010, 5:56 PM**

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40% not enough?

40% is plenty. I have no idea how much of the entire empty flats is dedicated to space.

All I'm saying is that there is value to the space. Both to those who live there and those who make use of it.